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My thoughts about Jordan’s thoughts about Lebron

The man needs no caption.

Hate Lebron for the way he Decided where he would “take his talents” next season. Hate him for being an egotistical prick. Hate him for being disloyal to Cleveland. Hate him for no-showing against the Celtics in Game 5. Hell, I don’t care, hate him for picking his nails or because you get annoyed by his goddamn puppet.

But should you really hate him for choosing to play with two of the NBA’s top ten players?

Of all the things Lebron is getting backlash for, choosing to play with Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh is far and away the most unreasonable. The most pressing argument against it is usually, “Michael Jordan never would have done that!” But the argument isn’t that Lebron has to win on his own. It can’t be, can it? Because Jordan happened to have Pippen. And Bird had McHale and Parish. And Johnson had Kareem, Worthy and a host of other stars. So it isn’t just that people don’t want Lebron to play with another star. It’s that people fault Lebron for playing with another star on that other star’s turf.

But it’s not Lebron’s fault the Cavaliers couldn’t add another star in Cleveland. It isn’t his fault he HAD to leave in order to play with a quality sidekick. He saw what many others saw; the Cavaliers weren’t built for playoff prosperity, and they didn’t have much flexibility. Say what you want about Lebron failing to deliver a championship after the Cavs tore through the regular season, but when you look at his supporting cast you can see it would have been a miracle if Lebron HAD won a ring in Cleveland. They won a ton of regular season games, sure, but when it came down to it they weren’t built to win in the playoffs. Antawn Jamison would have been the worst second-fiddle in history to ever win a title, am I wrong? He was murdered by the half-KG we saw this season. And Mo Williams was always hit-or-miss. Neither were the reliable options Lebron needed to be flanked by if he wanted to win a championship, and Lebron knew that as well as anybody else.

People hate Lebron for his oversized ego, but then think that same ego should have been bigger. By that, I mean that people believe Lebron should have stayed in Cleveland. He should have felt he could win a championship on his own, supporting cast be damned. Even if said cast was flawed. Even if the Cavs had little flexibility for the future and might have already peaked in early defeat. But with the knowledge of all the Cavs’ shortcomings (and there certainly were shortcomings, despite leading the league in regular season wins), should we really blame Lebron for leaving? I don’t think so. Could he have gotten things done in Cleveland? Yeah, it was a possibility. But it wasn’t his best opportunity to win championships. It wasn’t his best chance for immortality.

But Michael Jordan wouldn’t have done that. With superstars, especially those who play on the wing, it always seems to come back to Jordan. And His Airness never would have gone to Miami, common knowledge says, because he was too competitive. He wanted to tear the hearts out of his closest competitors, not win championships with them. Hell, Jordan even said it himself.

“There’s no way, with hindsight, I would’ve ever called up Larry, called up Magic and said, ‘Hey, look, let’s get together and play on one team,’” Jordan said after finishing tied for 22nd in the American Century Championship golf tournament in Stateline, Nev. “But that’s … things are different. I can’t say that’s a bad thing. It’s an opportunity these kids have today. In all honesty, I was trying to beat those guys.”

There’s one aspect of the above quote that hasn’t been talked about much: Jordan qualified it with the phrase “with hindsight.” Obviously, Jordan can say that with hindsight. Six championships in Chicago later, Jordan can obviously look back and say he never would have played with those guys. He did it on his own terms, in Chicago. He didn’t need to go anywhere else, he didn’t need to join forces with another super-duper-star. But what if Pippen had never developed into one of the game’s best players? What if Jordan had hit what he thought was a dead end? Wouldn’t the fiercest competitor ever, a man who wanted to do nothing but win, have wanted to go somewhere else so he could earn a ring? Wouldn’t he have wanted to do that? We don’t know and his quote can’t tell us, because he chose to qualify it by saying “with hindsight.”

But let’s just pretend Jordan never said “with hindsight.” Let’s say he wouldn’t have wanted to go anywhere, no matter what. Let’s say Jordan wanted to win a title in Chicago or die trying. If so, is it really wrong of Lebron to choose another route? Is it wrong that he doesn’t follow the path Jordan laid out? Is it wrong he wants to establish greatness in another fashion?

I’m sorry (actually, no I’m not), but you shouldn’t blame Lebron for taking an alternate route to greatness. You shouldn’t fault him for joining a team that, in time, could stake its claim as one of the greatest ever to grace the hardwood. Because, really, the same reason Lebron chose to travel to Miami is the same reason we were drawn to his game in the first place: He’s unselfish. He gets that basketball is a team game. Even during his time in Cleveland, Lebron always tried to foster his teammates along the way. He passed to open teammates with games on the line. He took pictures with them before games. He celebrated with them after wins and after big plays. What Michael Jordan took several years to realize, that he would need teammates to help him along the way, Lebron instinctively knew.

He just didn’t think his old teammates were good enough. Or he didn’t think he could pass up an opportunity to play for a team that could prove to be one of the best ever assembled. Or maybe there was some other reason we don’t know about. Whatever it was, Lebron chose the place where he felt he would have the best chance at multiple championships. 

And he sucked up his elephant-sized ego to do it. By leaving Cleveland, Lebron admitted he wasn’t good enough to make a dynasty there. He wasn’t good enough to do it by himself. He wasn’t good enough to carry Antawn Jamison and Mo Williams on his back, even though that very back is emblazened with the tattoo, “The Chosen One.” Lebron’s decision was at once the most egotistical thing to happen to the NBA in years and an admission: I can’t do it alone.

So take Lebron’s decision (not the production of it, but the actual choice) whatever way you want. Call him a coward for seeking out help or intelligent for joining the team with the best chance of multiple championships. Or cowardly intelligent, if you wish.  

But just realize what Lebron knows: If this SuperFriends experiment goes to plan, if Lebron James wins as many championships in South Beach as he envisions, he’ll put this all beyond him on his way to immortality. Just ask Kobe: Winning has a curious way of curing public perception.

In the end, isn’t a winning-driven immortal all we ever expected Lebron to be? Or did we somehow expect more of him than even that?

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categories Around the NBA, Featured | Jay King | July 19, 2010

categories Chris Bosh, Cleveland Cavaliers, Dwyane Wade, Kevin McHale, Larry Bird, Lebron James, Magic Johnson, Miami Heat, Michael Jordan, Robert Parish

26 Responses to “My thoughts about Jordan’s thoughts about Lebron”

  1. Jay P says:
    July 19, 2010 at 1:48 pm

    My thoughts about your thoughts about Jordan’s thoughts about Lebron:

    My head hurts.

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    • Jay King says:
      July 19, 2010 at 2:23 pm

      hahahaha

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  2. Saymirr says:
    July 19, 2010 at 1:51 pm

    Nice paper Jay, but I think you’re missing a little spot called Windy City.

    LeBron, as you wrote, decided his window of opportunity with the Cav’s had closed, that it would be several years before they could provide him with a sidekick like Pippen or Gasol, and I’m okay with that choice, even though I hate him for the way he did it.

    Nonetheless, and that’s where things become interesting, his choice wasn’t a two way crossroads, but a three way: Cleveland, Miami or Chicago. The Bulls had enough cap space to sign him, after adding Carlos Boozer to a starting five already including Derrick Rose and Joakim Noah. If he had chosen Chicago, the Bulls would have immediately become the favorite of the East, even ahead of the Miami Heat starring Wade, Bosh and… err.. a D-League supporting cast.

    However, James opted for Miami, and he’s perfectly free to do so and I don’t hate him for it. Nevertheless, for a guy that, like you wrote, has “Chosen One” tatooed on his back, starred in advertising campaigns trumpeting “We are all witnesses” like he’s some sort of Jesus Christ or whatever, and proclaimed himself “King” (Skip Bayless went ninja on him in a hilarious way on this one, naming him King of the first round), who put on #23 during the 7 years he’s spent in the league till this day, the pill is kinda hard to swallow.

    It’s not like he had to painfully carry the burden of being called the “new MJ” by the likes of ESPN, TNT, TMZ and whatnot, he embraced it. Therefore, after choosing to become D-Wade’s sidekick in Wade-County, it’s perfectly fair in my opinion that his image gets tarnished by the comparison with MJ.

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    • Jay King says:
      July 19, 2010 at 2:27 pm

      See, I don’t get why he’s D-Wade’s side-kick. Lebron is the two-time defending MVP. He’s nobody’s side-kick. He’s the leading man, even if Wade has a ring and he doesn’t. Perhaps his image will be slightly tarnished by his choice, but his decision doesn’t reveal some inherent competitive flaw.

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      • Jay P says:
        July 19, 2010 at 3:11 pm

        Cause it’s Wade’s house. If Wade went to Cleveland, he’d be LBJ’s sidekick, cause that was his house. But in Miami, Wade is the man, has been, and always will be.

        James is just borrowing a guest room, he’ll never be the man of the house.

        I think it does show a competitive flaw. I think we can agree, top 4 all-around best players in the NBA right now (no particular order) are LBJ, Kobe, Wade, Durant.

        Every one of those guys should want to go out and beat the crap out of each other to prove their the best, that’s what real champions do.

        There was a time when the best 4 players in the game were Jordan, Bird, Magic, and Thomas. Can you ever imagine any of those guys teaming up? Of course not, they wanted to beat each other, badly. Friendships be damned (and Isiah and Magic were VERY good friends… at least at that time) they wouldn’t even consider it. They were THE MAN on each of their teams, and would have it no other way.

        James agreed to be the Pippen to Wade’s Jordan, and it absolutely shows a testament to his (lack of) character.

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        • Jay King says:
          July 19, 2010 at 3:28 pm

          But the thing about them not wanting to play against each other was they all had stars on their own teams. All had fellow Hall of Famers. Lebron never did. Ever. And Cleveland wasn’t in a position to acquire one in the near future, either. So the question is, would those guys have come to terms with the fact that they couldn’t win it alone? Would they have sucked it up and played with another star? Or would they have kept trying to win with a supporting cast that wasn’t great? I don’t know.

          It’s hard to say a man isn’t being competitive enough when the only thing he’s trying to do is win.

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          • Jay P says:
            July 19, 2010 at 3:38 pm

            All had Hall of Famers, but can you honestly say without Larry Bird, McHale and Parish become Hall of Famers, does DJ? Does Pippen?

            All star players, no doubt, but the true dominant forces of talent that Magic, Jordan, and Bird were, elevated those incredibly talented players to Hall of Fame levels.

            Cleveland had talented players, but not a complete team. Part of that is coaching, part of that is Lebron.

            Either way, I’m not arguing he stays in Cleveland, I have no problem with choice (I have a big problem with the hour long slap in the face to the city though) but to be in the running as one of the greats ever, he had to go to Chicago.

            There, he had all the pieces, the defensive system and coaching(What up tom!), the role players who will rebound and block shots (Noah’s a beast, and I don’t just mean looks wise), the post presence to play inside/out with Boozer, and the Robin to his Batman in Derrick Rose. And undoubtedly, the “Man” of that team, would have been Lebron James. There he forms his legacy, and could have cemented himself as one of the greats, ever.

            If that Chicago team wins championships, it would have been all about him, the best player on a great TEAM. Now it’s all about the “Miami Trio” win or lose, it wont be about him. Which if that’s what he wanted, that’s fine. But then it proves the entire point, he’s not a competitor, he’s not in the class of the all time greats, he’s not the “man”, he’s just the best role player in basketball.

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          • Jay King says:
            July 19, 2010 at 3:50 pm

            McHale definitely becomes a Hall of Famer. He could do it all. Part of the reason Parish is in the Hall is winning, so maybe he wouldn’t have made it. Pippen would have made it anyway, like McHale. When Michael was out playing baseball, Pippen slapped a 23, 8 and 6 season on the board, all while being one of the best perimeter defenders in the game. Some people make the argument that Pippen was the second-best all-around player in the game even when MJ was in the league. But nobody on Cleveland was on any of their levels. Not even close.

            As for the Chicago thing, I see what you’re saying… but he’s the man wherever he goes. Still the two-time defending MVP. Even if Wade is there, Lebron’s the man. He’s not going to become a role player just because he has two more great players to play with.

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    • Jay King says:
      July 19, 2010 at 2:28 pm

      And thanks for the compliment.

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  3. Jeff says:
    July 19, 2010 at 3:07 pm

    Hey Jay!

    What do you think the chance of a CJ Miles and Ronnie Price for Sheed and maybe a 2nd rounder would be?

    That’d give us a good wing and good backup for Rondo and Nate.

    Last year and the year before I heard the Jazz wanted to deal CJ because he clashes with Sloan.

    CJ can play D, shoot the 3 and slash. He’d be a nice backup, and at 6’6″ he has decent size.

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    • Jay King says:
      July 19, 2010 at 3:15 pm

      The Jazz are thin enough at the wing as it is. Miles may clash with Sloan but he’s a vital piece there. I can’t see them trading him away without getting something in return. Not just salary. Raja Bell was added but only takes the place of Wes Matthews. Doesn’t take Miles’ place.

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  4. Cliff Kensington says:
    July 19, 2010 at 3:41 pm

    Wow, I completely agree with this post. I even posted something similar on Celticsblog a few days ago. http://www.celticsblog.com/2010/7/12/1565136/one-thing-needs-to-stop

    I was called a Lebron lover, not a Celtics fan, and told to lay down the crack pipe. Intelligent discussion like that is the reason I’m spending far more time on this site.

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    • Jay King says:
      July 19, 2010 at 4:01 pm

      Wow, thanks a lot. I think you can intelligently argue both ways. I’m not a Lebron fan; not after all this anyway. He proved himself to be a huge duchebag. But I can’t argue with the actual decision.

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  5. Saymirr says:
    July 19, 2010 at 3:56 pm

    Jay P got my point, the Bulls were THE team LeBron could’ve built his legacy as one of the greatest of all time with.

    He turned down the opportunity, even though you can argue that he’ll be more than Wade’s sidekick (to me Dwyane is forever the man in South Beach since he won that ring and went ninja on the Mavs in the Finals). He can’t thus be mentioned in the same sentence as Jordan, Bird, Magic, Thomas, Russell or Kobe…

    Like Jay P said, at best, we won’t talk about the Heat as Wade and the Dwyanettes but as a trio, which is definitely not what a guy who proclaims himself “Chosen One”, “King” and wears #23 for 7 years should be expecting as a legacy…

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    • Jay King says:
      July 19, 2010 at 4:00 pm

      They won’t be a trio, either. They’ll be a duo and a third banana. But I don’t think Lebron ever wanted to follow Jordan’s path. Henry Abbott at TrueHoop had an interesting take: http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/18416/the-michael-jordan-view-of-lebron-james

      And I’d disagree. All those guys had significant sidekicks for every championship. If Lebron wins a ton of championships and a few more MVPs, why can’t he be considered in the same sentence as those guys? Just because he left to join his star teammate instead of being lucky enough to be drafted into a good spot?

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      • Saymirr says:
        July 19, 2010 at 4:08 pm

        Proclaiming himself “Chosen One” and “King” isn’t enough to show you he wanted it? Neither does wearing #23 in spite of all the expectations and comparisons that arised when he was still the kid from Akron?

        He put himself in this type of expectations because he wanted to. If he discovers now that he ain’t built for it, fine, but no one will sell to me he knew that from the start.

        If he was made from the same wood as Jordan & Cie, he would’ve signed with the Bulls. We now know he ain’t, fair enough, but he made a lot of people believe it during 7+ years and I’m sure he believed it too.

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        • Saymirr says:
          July 19, 2010 at 4:10 pm

          *the comparisons that arose.. ahem.. -_-’

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        • Jay King says:
          July 19, 2010 at 4:16 pm

          To be the Chosen One or the King doesn’t necessarily mean he has to be Jordan. His expectations still are, and will always be, sky-high. I just don’t feel like wanting to play with another star is a weakness. I see your point, though. I understand why people are so against the decision, I just don’t agree with it.

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          • Saymirr says:
            July 19, 2010 at 4:21 pm

            Well, we in a democracy after all ^^, I myself don’t hold a grudge over James for choosing MIA expect from the facts I mentioned above.

            After all, if he doesn’t give a thang about people questioning his legacy if it’s the price to pay to play and win championships with his pals, good for him, even though he’s still a douche for what he did to CLE fans :)

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          • Jay King says:
            July 19, 2010 at 4:26 pm

            He’s definitely still a douche for what he did to CLE fans. I think we can all agree on that.

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  6. Frank A says:
    July 19, 2010 at 8:03 pm

    Great piece…I have one question? If Jordan was on the Cavs the last two seasons instead of Lebron, do you think the Cavs get farther in the play-offs? Maybe even win it all? Maybe Lebron isn’t on the level of king!! Maybe he knows it so he rather he that he won a ring with Wade and Bosh rather than hear he never won a ring.

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    • Jay King says:
      July 20, 2010 at 8:00 am

      I don’t think Lebron is on the level of Jordan yet, but Jordan wasn’t Jordan early in his career either.

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  7. Benti says:
    July 19, 2010 at 10:39 pm

    I’m sorry Jay. We agree on a lot of things, but I disagree on this one.

    Lebron James has constantly been a player that we wanted to be considered the next Jordan, and I even think he wanted that to. That’s why he wore number 23, that’s why he rooted for the Bulls, that’s why he idolized Micheal Jordan. All the decision proved is that he doesn’t have the same competitive nature as Jordan so he can never, ever, be considered a Jordan. Yes, he’s ring chasing, and it’s honorable to take less money to go after a ring, but the best Lebron could be now is a Pippen. Now, that’s not a bad thing, but Lebron James could never be on the same level as Micheal Jordan, Larry Bird, Kobe Bryant, or even Dwayne Wade. To be a G.O.A.T, you have to have Alpha Dog rings, and no matter how many rings Lebron wins, he will never be considered an Alpha Dog as long as he is on Wade’s team.

    But maybe he doesn’t want to be an Alpha Dog. Maybe he just wants to go down as a really great basketball player, but never a G.O.A.T. That’s what’s most disappointing to Jordan, and to the fans of the game of basketball. He could have been that. Even going out and winning two rings in Cleveland puts him in the top 15 of all time, but now he can’t crack the top 30.

    ~Benti

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    • Jay King says:
      July 20, 2010 at 7:59 am

      Why does Lebron have to be Wade’s Pippen though? Why can’t Lebron establish himself as Wade’s Jordan? That’s what people aren’t seeing. Lebron is a better player than Dwyane Wade, and I wouldn’t be too surprised if he averaged a triple-double next season. I’m not even kidding. With players like that around him and playing in what is likely to be a very fast-paced offense, Lebron will put up earth-shattering numbers.

      You’re trying to tell me that if Lebron wins four or five championships and a couple more MVPs, he can’t crack the top 30 of all time? That’s insane.

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      • Benti says:
        July 20, 2010 at 10:14 am

        Because as dumb as it sounds, the fact that Lebron joined Dwayne Wade instead of Wade joining Lebron somewhere means that Lebron was essentially giving in. It was almost an admission that he couldn’t be “The Guy”.

        We’re not talking about scrubs in Cleveland either. If Lebron James was really “the guy” why weren’t people coming to make Cleveland better? that was a 60 win team for two seasons. Why wouldn’t Matt Barnes or Tony Allen go join that team this off-season? Maybe the NBA sensed something Lebron that we didn’t know yet, but now we do. Lebron doesn’t want to be THE guy.

        ~Benti

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        • Jay King says:
          July 20, 2010 at 10:26 am

          People weren’t going to make Cleveland better because the Cavs had no cap space. That team wasn’t built to win a championship, and Matt Barnes or Tony Allen isn’t going to change the fact that Lebron would have had to be a miracle maker to carry the Cavs to a title. As I said in the piece, Antawn Jamison would have been the worst second fiddle to ever win a title.

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