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A respectful failure: The Boston Celtics’ season comes to a premature end

(Editor’s note: Sorry for the Polish post, guys. We have a hacker who posts occasional posts in foreign languages, and I don’t know how to stop it. Anyway, thanks for reading all year. I hope you keep reading into the summer, as I will assuredly keep writing.)

Erik Spoelstra stood in front of the Heat bench, clapping his hands and telling anyone who would listen, “Grind it out.” He understood his team’s younger legs could persevere longer, could thrive when Boston started to wobble, and so he encouraged his troops to wear the Celtics down. The Celtics weren’t going to go anywhere without a desperate effort, but the longer the game lasted, the more their bodies started to disobey their commands. This wasn’t the Lakers collapsing and coming unhinged, it was just one team getting beaten by a better one, one aging team getting outlasted by their younger, healthier counterparts. The Celtics kept their pride and gave nothing away easy, but the Heat will move on in their pursuit of a championship just like they deserved to.

The Celtics led almost the whole game, but it was always the most fragile of leads, a lead as tender to the touch as Rajon Rondo’s elbow. Like children who walked into a house billowing with cigarette smoke, the Celtics could not get any breathing room. The clock ticked too slowly; their legs started to feel too much like spaghetti; Rajon Rondo laid on the floor with a body that had betrayed him; and that lead, so tenuous, never did become large enough. “Hold on. Just hold on,” I begged my television, but somewhere deep down I knew the ending. I’d seen this episode before. I’d seen it in Game 7 against the Lakers (ew) and I’d seen it in Game 2 against Miami. The Celtics could build a lead, but they could never get enough separation to sustain it. And when the game advanced to its later stages, the Celtics had emptied everything from their piggy bank; they had nothing left to spend. What came next was an unsatisfying ending, nothing to be ashamed of yet so far from what this season once promised.

Because the Celtics were favorites. Not decades ago or years ago, but just a couple months ago. They were the favorites, and then they weren’t, and then the Miami Heat systematically beat them down in one of the most tightly-contested five game series you’ll ever see. We’ll still remember parts of this season fondly—Ray became the three-point king; Pierce hit the 20,000-point club; Rondo came back from one of the most grotesque injuries I’ve seen in only seven minutes (and I still haven’t written enough about his heroic nature); Shaq subdued his ego to become part of the crew; Garnett came back from the toughest season of his career with a year of redemption; Jeff Green reached double figures a couple times (sorry, I can never resist taking a shot at Green)—but in the end, the year failed. It failed entirely. Or mostly. Or somewhat. Or not at all. Or maybe somewhere in between. Because this crew has always been about winning titles. Especially after the season started out so peachy, a title was pretty much the only goal. Before the season, if you asked any of the Celtics if they’d be happy with a second-round loss to the Miami Heat, they all would have told you, “Hell no.” They wanted to avenge last year’s title loss, and the core guys wanted to win a second ring for their legacies.

But still, there’s a nagging feeling that this team—at least the team that played five times against Miami—went as far as it could go. We’ll look back at certain plays from the Miami series with regret (the final regulation play of Game 4, for one), just as we’ll think back to the regular season and wonder, “What if the Celtics had earned home court advantage?”, just as we’ll wonder what could have happened if Rondo’s elbow had stayed in its socket, just as we’ll second guess Doc’s decision to continue trotting out Davis and Green no matter how often they let Boston down (then again, who else was there?). But in the end, the Celtics lost to a better team. They played hard as hell. Valiantly, even. They didn’t go out meekly, never pulled a Lakers no-show, and somehow gained even more of my respect despite losing four times in five games. They played hurt, they played with out-of-service arms, they hung close even though nothing comes easy anymore. But they were overmatched. The Boston bench couldn’t cut it, the starters couldn’t score as easily as they once did, and the Heat, well, the Heat are damn good. And the scary part for the NBA was that this was the year—in year one of the meshing process, before Lebron, Wade and Bosh got any semblance of a supporting cast—the Heat were supposed to be their most vulnerable.

From day one, we still knew the Heat would become deadly if Wade and James could learn how to co-exist. Against the Celtics, they didn’t just co-exist—they made each other better. They seized the biggest moments and made them their own. They were clearly the two best players on the court at all times, two sculpted, nearly unstoppable Zeus’s who would not stop hitting dagger shots. In the latest step in their development, Wade and James (with a little help from Chris Bosh and almost no help from anyone else) poured the final dirt on Boston’s grave tonight, almost three months after the Celtics’ season took a turn for the worse.

To ignore that this season began to fall apart (or at least reveal some serious issues) sometime near February would be to leave out so much. At the trade deadline, the Celtics had the second-best record in the NBA (behind only the Spurs). Miami seemingly had no chance against them (doh). The Celtics were the favorites to win the Eastern Conference, at least. They had a starting five that had never lost a playoff series. The Big Three was playing better than it had since ’08. And Rajon Rondo had become an evolutionary John Stockton. So what happened?

Let’s start with what we know: Kendrick Perkins and Nate Robinson were traded to Oklahoma City for Jeff Green and Nenad Krstic. At the same time, Luke Harangody and Semih Erden were traded away for almost nothing (presumably to open two roster spots, which ended up being filled by Troy Murphy and Sasha Pavlovic—or, in other words, mannequins to sit on the bench). Keep in mind, if Marquis Daniels had remained healthy, Danny Ainge probably would have kept the roster intact and continued forward without any major moves. But Daniels went down with his spinal cord injury and Ainge felt he had to acquire an impact small forward. Really, the seeds for the trade were planted even months before the injury. Daniels had always been injury-prone, but Ainge did not re-sign Tony Allen and opted to enter the season with Daniels as Pierce’s lone backup.

Shortly after the trades, the Celtics started to lose games. Doc Rivers became visibly frustrated with his team, more so than at any other time during the Big Three era. Rondo stopped playing to his high standards, the Celtics began to drift through certain games like a fifth-grader with ADD might drift through history class, and the Celtics fell from the first seed to the third seed in a matter of weeks. Jeff Green revealed himself to be a flawed player, Glen Davis fell apart like an over-sized piñata, Nenad Krstic proved himself to be nothing more than seven feet of everything the Celtics despised, and the bench—even with new toys that cost Boston their starting center—continued to give away games.

At this point, we turn to speculation and opinion. Kendrick Perkins was not irreplaceable, but the problem was that there was nobody (or at least nobody healthy) to replace him on Boston’s roster. Jermaine O’Neal played admirably after his return from injury, but there were two major problems with Jermaine: 1) he missed almost the entire regular season, meaning the Celtics tried to fend off the Bulls and Heat for the top seed with Krstic as a starting center, and 2) even on good nights he couldn’t stay on the court for more than 25 or so minutes, leaving Krstic and the under-performing Davis to share the remainder. Look at tonight’s game: with the season on the line, Krstic was Boston’s fourth-quarter center. I repeat, with more scorn in my tone this time: with the season on the line, Nenad Krstic was Boston’s fourth-quarter center. He played reasonably well, I know. But Krstic playing important minutes wasn’t ever part of the plan. Meanwhile, Jermaine, nursing injuries to his knees, his wrist and his back, was not healthy enough to play. Shaq, 350-pounds and nursing a bum leg (and foot, and whatever else), couldn’t play either. And to anyone paying attention to the last few years, those facts should not have come at all as a surprise.

The other part of the trade Ainge should regret? He traded his team’s starting center in return for nothing of true value. Jeff Green was lauded as a James Posey-esque versatile forward who would help on both ends of the court, but anybody intrigued by advanced statistics knew that Green is (and has always been) an inefficient offensive player, an incapable (or unwilling) defender,  and a ‘tweener without a real NBA position. Too small to defend power forwards, not solid enough to defend small forwards, Green’s presence on the court normally makes his team worse. No, really.

In all fairness to Ainge, Green does come equipped with certain positives; he’s athletic, which was key for a Celtics team lacking great athletes, and he’s young, which was key for a Celtics team lacking youth. But to expect Green to enter the equation and take control of the Celtics bench was to expect too much. By the end of the season, my benchmark for being happy with Green was, “Well, at least he didn’t f*** things up too badly tonight.”

If Ainge really thought he would start the rebuilding process with Green as one of his cornerstones, he was sorely mistaken. In fact, the one biggest positive about Green’s play in Boston was that he played himself out of a whole lot of money—the Celtics can likely keep him at a reduced rate. Assuming, you know, they still want to keep him. The portion of the season he spent in Boston could best be summed up by Doc Rivers, who, when asked about Green’s play in the Miami series, responded something like, “Umm, well, it was a good experience for him.” Ladies and gentlemen, Jeff Green.

After the Perk trade, Rondo was never the same. For a while, many folks suspected his dropoff was a case of a young, enigmatic point guard missing his best friend. In retrospect, we can probably give Ainge a pass for that aspect of the trade. Seeing Rondo reduced to laying on his back tonight and hearing Garnett discuss a number of gruesome injuries he’d seen Rondo play through, the truth more likely was that Rondo’s body was just run down. He was healthy enough to run rampant against a New York Knicks defense designed almost entirely to let him run rampant, but—even before his Bogut-esque dislocated elbow—was not healthy enough to torch Miami’s far-more-proficient defense. If Rondo did enter a funk because of the Perkins trade, I suspect his reaction wasn’t as severe as we once believed.

Of course, that doesn’t mean Ainge should be cleared of all charges relating to the bad side effects his trade caused. By shipping away four players at the deadline (five if you include Daniels, who had already undergone a season-ending injury anyways), Ainge essentially left the Celtics with only five rotation players who had ever played significant time using Doc’s offense and Tom Thibodeau’s defensive schemes. (Delonte West and Jermaine O’Neal, keep in mind, both missed most of the beginning of the season.) The lack of continuity in the rotation caused the Celtics serious problems, one of which was an inability to execute simple plays. You can probably remember that Doc had to cut the playbook in half before the team began the playoffs; they had too many new players to run all the plays he wanted to. We spent a lot of time discussing how Boston’s experience could prove the difference against Miami in a playoff series (damn it). In reality, it was the Celtics who were left scrambling to get all their newcomers up to speed. Tonight, Nenad Krstic, Jeff Green, Jermaine O’Neal and Delonte West all saw second-half playing time. All of them had essentially played less than half a season in Boston. And team chemistry? We’ll never know just how the trade altered that, but something seemed amiss.

Would the Celtics have won if The Infamous Trade had never been made? We’ll never know. But I believed on that day, and believe more strongly than ever now, that the Celtics had a better chance at winning a title before Danny Ainge gave his team some serious plastic surgery. And to think, he could have just traded for Anthony Parker, kept the rest of the team intact, and still gotten just about as much production from the backup small forward as the Celtics got from Green. Or, you know, just re-signed Tony Allen. Damn it all.

But the team will move forward. Doc Rivers said he’s “heavily leaning” towards returning next year, the Big Three (if Ray Allen picks up his player option, which he said he will) are all under contract, and Rajon Rondo will be around for the foreseeable future. The supporting cast will change, of course—Ainge will have decisions to make on Davis, Green, West, Krstic, Arroyo, Murphy and Pavlovic, and both O’Neals will have to choose whether to return for another season—but the Celtics nucleus should all return for another encore. Not that the encore promises to end any differently (you know, if it even happens, considering the potential for a lockout). With the Heat’s stars in their prime and the Bulls presumably set to improve with experience, the Eastern Conference won’t get any easier. And the Celtics, who spent much of this season defying age before getting a flat tire in the second half of the year, won’t get any younger.

That’s why this all feels like the end, not the final time this Celtics team will play together but the final time they can legitimately be expected to contend for a title. If that end in fact has arrived, consider me relieved (not happy, but relieved) by the way it came to pass. The Celtics didn’t bow out shamefully. They didn’t tap out in submission. Instead they left behind some heroic memories from Game 3, and in a way they enhanced everything this team stood for—plodding on no matter the circumstances, fighting even when the odds stack against them, battling with pride, togetherness and a certain heroism even when left with only one good arm (or leg, or whatever other body part these Celtics have injured over the years). They went out kind of like Rocky did against Apollo Creed in the original Rocky. Maybe they didn’t go the full 15 rounds like Rocky did, but they threw as many punches as they could muster. And when it was all over, the Heat knew how tough a fight it had been. When Lebron James praised the Celtics following the game, he wasn’t just being politically correct—he was revealing his respect for a team that had competed harder and caused more problems for him than any other team he’s ever played.

No, the Celtics did not win a title. In that sense, they failed themselves and fell short of their own goals and expectations. But in an NBA landscape that worries so much about legacies, the Celtics did nothing to damage theirs. They were bloodied and battered and old and bandaged, but they stumbled on as far as they could go. They ran into a better team, a younger team, a more athletic team, but they gave that team hell. The five game series was too short for my liking and the second-round exit was too early, but I’ll take some solace in the fact that, even in defeat, the Celtics never stop giving teams hell.

Tomorrow morning I’ll wake up and there will be no games left to be played, no games left to write about. The offseason will come, I assume Danny Ainge will make significant changes to Boston’s roster, and, lockout notwithstanding, a new season will eventually arrive. When it does, the Celtics will no longer be the Eastern Conference’s top dogs. They won’t be anybody’s title favorites. Even if the nucleus remains unchanged, everything will be different. But we’ll always have the memories, and, though we’ll no longer expect championships, hopefully next year the Celtics can make some more good ones.

This year wasn’t perfect. It didn’t end the way we would have liked, the way many of us—at least until a couple months ago—predicted. But it’s another season we can be proud of, another season we’ll smile about in a few years when we reminisce. Even if those smiles will surely be accompanied by a whole slew of “what ifs.”

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categories Celtics Blog | Jay King | May 12, 2011

32 Responses to “A respectful failure: The Boston Celtics’ season comes to a premature end”

  1. kennard says:
    May 12, 2011 at 4:41 am

    Win or lose,this is a special group and they can hang their heads high.They have nothing to be ashamed about.Any other team would have folded under all the injuries this great group of guys have suffered.
    I don’t want to get into the “what ifs”
    That being said.
    I have one name to throw out for the future.
    SAMUEL DALEMBERT.
    This is who the Celtics need next year and Ainge needs to act fast before the Knicks sign him or somebody else.He is a great defender who will give you 10 and 10 every night and he is never injured.
    Garnett needs help and he is the answer.
    J.O is good for 15 solid minutes if he can hold up.
    Ainge should tell Big Baby thank you for your service.We will never forget Shrek and Donkey,but it’s time to move on.
    A good replacement to back up Garnett is Chuck Hayes,another solid defender and rebounder.
    Courtney Lee could be a backup for Ray Allen.Another solid wing defender with a decent jumpshot.
    Get rid of Kristic,
    Keep Jeff Green and Delonte West and we are right back in it.
    Any thoughts on my roster changes?
    Go C’S !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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  2. Myles says:
    May 12, 2011 at 4:50 am

    This pretty much made me cry. I was working the whole game… my jackass manager wouldn’t let me off before 7 (MT time) and I didn’t complain because watching the “scorecast” on ESPN mobile I believed we would win this one.

    I wanted to say something astute, but this is a completely demoralizing loss. I have enjoyed reading your columns for more than over a year Jay, you were the best blogger to read during last years playoffs, and you haven’t let up since. You have the ability to capture the emotions of most C’s fans.

    I have had the honor of watching this site grow as a moderate contributor to the comment section and I hope you have reason enough to keep it up. Just know that the true celtics fans will always be here and we will always care what you think about our team.

    One thing I can suggest for improvement, is your in-person/radio appearances, as few and as far between as they come, if you can develop a radio personality, you have the ability to dominate the boston celtics sports scene. Just because of your intimate understanding of the C’s.

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  3. Myles says:
    May 12, 2011 at 5:03 am

    Note… I’m also drunk.
    – this applies to the crying comment. Which doesn’t make it any less real.

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  4. kenji says:
    May 12, 2011 at 7:26 am

    please don’t change the core. change the bench……

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  5. deron says:
    May 12, 2011 at 11:31 am

    The Celts were dominated in this series during the most critical moments; those moments when the experience advantage becomes the age disadvantage. I really enjoyed their run and I was pulling for them to win this year, but the only game they won was the one that most of the losing teams in a five-game series win – Game 3. I hope to see a Miami-Dallas rematch, could be one of the most exciting NBA Finals in years.

    http://theresastatforthat.blogspot.com/2011/04/game-3-in-nba-playoffs-potent-mixture.html

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  6. paul says:
    May 12, 2011 at 12:12 pm

    Experience advantage become age disadvantage when the experienced team lets it work out that way, because they WANT IT less. The team that wanted it more won, not the better team.

    And while I respect the fact that the Heat have come a long way, I won’t congratulate them. They took out our best player, in order to win, deliberately. I read that Doc gave Wade a huge, ostentatious hug after last night’s game was over. See, that’s what I despise about Doc. It’s not always classy or good to be ‘nice’, but to Doc, it’s sooooooo important never to make waves. Doc, that guy you just hugged took out your best player. Where’s your loyalty to your own player? What if we had won the NY series because Kevin Garnett slammed Stoudemire into the court and caused his injury that way; do you think it would have been right for the NY coach to make nice with Garnett ostentatiously? No. Of course not. I don’t mean we should be trying to get revenge on Wade or anything. We should not do as he did, if we think that what he did was wrong. But to cozy up to him? No. No no no.

    We should have at least enough pride and loyalty to each other not to do that

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  7. smoothy says:
    May 12, 2011 at 1:08 pm

    Rondo healthy we win 4 and 5 and up 3-2. He was the advantage. Would they have won the title, good chance , Dallas , OKC and Chicago very flawed

    2009 Garnett’s knee
    2010 Perk’s knee
    2011 Rondo’s elbow

    sucks

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  8. James says:
    May 12, 2011 at 1:54 pm

    So I woke up today feeling terrible that the “better” team is not playing again tomorrow night. The healthy team won, not the better team. Miami’s bench scored 19 pts and had 9 rebs in the last 2 games. That isn’t going to work vs Dallas if they get that far. This Cs team lost 4 games by a total of 22 pts and very well have could have won them all. What if PP isn’t ejected (and again for what? talking to Wade?), what if RR isn’t injured and can play effectively the last 2 games. My frustration is that I know the Cs are better but they also did not execute at the critical times and played sloppy ball during other stretches whereby they still could have won the series. I do not watch the video clips much due to time but did listen to PP and Doc. Here’s the game plan as I see it to get this team back to better results next season. Point by point:

    Doc – stop the milquetoast comments and learn to adjust better as far as rotations and game strategy (also use some f’in discipline as in pulling anyone not doing what they are supposed to be doing/ great coaches pull stars; why not you???). Example – KG should have been at the rim all series but got away from it too much as in shooting jumpers all game in Game 4. He killed on the inside. And please focus the team and every player on rebounding, rebounding, rebounding. PP had 3 measly rebs last night in 35 minutes. He didn’t mention that in his interview. Yes, they need a bench guy to get 6-8 per night but the guards (other than Rondo) and bench need to rebound better and so the strategy of everyone running back on defense proved fatal. Please make these changes Doc. Stop giving up extra shots because only RR is in the key trying to rebound. This strategy killed the Cs this year.

    Starting 5 – center (Shaq/JO if healthy the other as back-up along with Krstic), KG, PP (sorry Davis!), Rondo and DW. Move RA to sixth man for more offense off the bench.

    Bench – either Davis accepts and plays the way he is supposed to or trade him. I’d use his name earlier but would definitely cut him loose by the trade deadline if he doesn’t show maturity and better play. Memo to Davis – if you want to “start” you better get more than 1 reb in 24 minutes of action like you did in Game 4. Give Bradley a chance to earn the back up PG spot. His defense can be useful when RR needs rest. And DW plays much better as a 2. Green will be better with a training camp, more games and more time to adjust. He should average 10 pts and 6 rebs minimum off the bench. Find a rebounding PF. Must have someone that can get 8-10 per night and score 10 pts. This should be Davis but if Davis is bait and someone can be had then make the deal ASAP. I’d like to keep Wafer and Murphy as they can be useful…but they have to be used. If Doc will only use 8 players in the playoffs then it doesn’t matter who’s on the bench (that’s 7 other players for what practice?…and yes I know only 12 can suit up). SP and CA can be let go for younger more athletic types but also depending on who the Cs draft.

    In closing, I hope everyone realizes that this team underachieved vs Miami and during the season (loses to sub .500 teams) which for them is something I never expected. As I said last night, PP did not show up yesterday. He doesn’t have to score 30 but his all around play showed he was a bystander (the 3 reb stat). So next year I expect focused and hard play every night. This falls on Doc, too. Is there a locker room problem? We’ll find out shortly but something isn’t right and I really do not think it can all be tied to the ‘trade’. Something else is going on. the ‘chemistry’ was fine but the execution was severely lacking at times. Too much disinterest at times.

    I hope the players feel as bad or worse than I do as they let a golden opportunity slip away because they lacked effort (despite the injury to RR) and played TO ball at all the wrong times. I do not equate that to being ‘old’. Poor thinking at crucial times was another killer. Yes, they are older but they can still bring it but they need some help and most importantly to have their young gun Rondo healthy for all series.

    Thank you Jay for all the excellent writing and great posts and all the comments (good and bad) from your C-Town community. Looking forward to the new wall, the draft, and next season but not before seeing the Heat fall short because they are not the better ‘team’. By far. I’ll be rooting for Dirk & Jason now in the Finals as they deserve rings. Basically, for any team that doesn’t have LBJ on it (too bad for Wade as I really love his game, too). Great season that fell apart due to injuries and truthfully; nothing more. Go Cs…

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  9. greenbeand says:
    May 12, 2011 at 3:12 pm

    lets bridge next year. dump all assets, last minute trades, draft picks and build a dynasty for dhoward/rondo. at all expense and w/e that takes. trade kg and ray allen (perfect 6th man)to fleece next years desperate playoff team. do it danny!! w/irish pride hold your breath for a year ( ‘ . ‘ )

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  10. Chris H says:
    May 12, 2011 at 3:46 pm

    Can the C’s compete next year? That is a big question. It doesn’t always take superstars but working class togetherness (Memphis exceeding expectations). Or making older players, i.e. the Big 3 role players, as the Spurs did. If the C’s can take from those teams’ model and rebuild with some younger, fresher talent, then who knows?

    Yes, James, turnovers and rebounding were beyond frustrating, and a big reason why they lost this series, not to mention age and the Rondo injury. Lack of discipline and chemistry killed their chances this year. The trade hurt chemistry but it doesn’t matter now. It’s a matter of retooling for the future.

    Why can’t this team close games? In game 7 last year. All of the regular season this year (remember the 2 games to Dallas?). In 3 playoff games against the Heat, they were tied or ahead with minutes left to play, only to see the Heat go on a wild scoring streak while the C’s couldn’t score.

    It may be age, but if that’s the case, a decent bench could have saved us. Guys who could close out the game, or give the starters enough rest in the 3rd Q so they don’t run out of steam. That said, if they get some young athletes who can become starters, while making the Big 3 role players with fewer minutes, the C’s could become a real force.

    Davis has to go. And James, please. The ONeals should not even be discussed for next year’s roster. They need to go out and get a center. I don’t mind Krystc as back up; he came through last night during crunch time, winning my respect; but they need a bona fide center.

    If we could actually get Howard, holy s—t wouldn’t that be great?! Okay, I’m dreaming.

    To James and everyone else: Yes, I think Delonte starting with Rondo is a great idea to give us scoring off the bench with Ray. People think I’m crazy but I’d like to see Garnett and Pierce come off the bench. If we can get quality youth. It would give us the best bench in the NBA, veterans who know how to play in the playoffs. But it all depends on who is out there to sign.

    How much salary cap do the C’s have? Forgive my ignorance, but I’m not sure what the lock out entails. Anyone want to explain?

    Jay— great year for you. I wish you the best. You’re young and on your way up as a sportswriter/commentator. Just don’t get a big head. Stay humble. Cream rises to the top.

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  11. James says:
    May 12, 2011 at 4:17 pm

    Chris H… Problem with the O’Neals is that they are signed. Shaq has a player option and JO is signed. I don’t think Shaq wants to go out like he did and having another few months to heal should work unless it doesn’t and he decides he can’t play. I read on here mention of Dalembert but the Kings love him and are going to be an OKC style (young and up and coming) team making the playoffs for years to come beginning next season. I think Howard wants to go to LA and play with Kobe. If the Lakers were smart they’d trade Bynum now and get DH for next season. Bynum’s a thug and has injury issues but Orlando needs to do something or they’ll get nothing. PP & KG can still start but if the bench is better then their minutes should come down naturally. I can’t see them coming off the bench quite yet. Maybe 2 more years if they stick around. It’s going to be interesting as everyone knows this team is close and maybe some great FA decides he can be the difference maker. But they have cap issues so it’s going to be tough. Definitely have to grow the young draftees. Go Cs…

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  12. ILUVLARRY says:
    May 12, 2011 at 6:48 pm

    Nice article! It would be so great to get a new bench and make a serious run next year.

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  13. Nate says:
    May 12, 2011 at 6:54 pm

    The problem is in the NBA everyone gets overpaid. I hope green leaves this crap about adjustment Is bull shit Jeff green is a professional basketball player if he can not learn how to come of the bench in 3 months he will never be able to learn it. The truth is he is not good he is not an impact scorer why do the celtics need an undersized powerforward that doesn’t rebound can’t score cant play defense and can’t come of the bench to be the main guy of he bench.

    Danny even thinking of resigning this guy makes me question him as a GM many people disliked him before the big three trade.

    Jeff green was a Watching the game last night it looked as though rondo had also lost his confidence in Jeff green he stopped passingto him instead forcing the ball to Ray.

    Let green go get overpaid somewhere else. We need a true wing and a inside man that can play 30 min and give us 10 and 10.

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  14. Nate says:
    May 12, 2011 at 6:56 pm

    @ James I’m am stunned too. Basketball is not rocket science

    KG scored 28 in game 3 how do 12 in the first quarter in game 5 then 4 points the rest of the game. I was stunned.

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  15. rondeezy says:
    May 12, 2011 at 7:34 pm

    @nate id love to see green back. he showed us his potential during the end of season games where he started. its not easy for a young player who started most his career to start coming off the bench, especially around guys like kg paul and ray. let kg slap him around a bit in the summer and he’ll get better next season fersure.

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  16. Nate says:
    May 12, 2011 at 7:50 pm

    @Rondeezy I’m sorry but Where was the improvement, be specific because I’ll I saw was a no promise. Jay Posted the stats on twitter Boston was 19points worse/100 possessions with Jeff green on the court during the playoffs.

    Even though Jeff green is 6″9′ he never Rebounds he can’t drive because he is a power forward.

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  17. James says:
    May 12, 2011 at 8:32 pm

    I like Green but he needs to improve on his inconsistent game. I think he can work out but he has to be a 10-12+/8-10 player or he’s not worth keeping around. I do think he will feel a lot more comfortable with a training camp and all but if he doesn’t deliver then he’ll need to go too at the trade deadline. We also need a PF that can get the same each night as I mentioned previously. And the Cs should consider using Murphy solely for rebounding ala how Rodman delivered for Chicago. You can’t tell me that he couldn’t have helped when Davis was sucking every night. Game 4 Davis had 0 rebounds and only 2 in Game 5. And he wants to start??? Start rebounding and go lose about 50 lbs this summer. Go Cs….

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  18. andre says:
    May 12, 2011 at 8:45 pm

    i think we should keep the big 4 , resign west and green , and we should sign deandre jordan really athletic, a good shotblocker and rebounder, try to get samuel delemburt (not as athletic but a better shot blocker and rebounder to come off the bench ), take a risk at j.r smith ( another athletic guy ), and carl landy , he’s a good undersized player to replace big baby.

    the lineups would be like this starting linup:
    rondo
    allen
    pierce
    garnett
    jordan
    bench :
    west
    smith
    green
    landry
    dalemburt

    a lineup that would work good against the heat next year is :
    rondo- nothing to really say but him being rondo
    smith – can gaurd wade being athletic and can score on wade
    green – he should use the summer to get more bulky and if he does he can be able to guard lebron with his height,strength, and being athletic
    garnett- can beat bosh any day on defense or offense
    jordan – use his athleticism to beat bosh and any other big man

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  19. andre says:
    May 12, 2011 at 8:56 pm

    or instead of dalemburt we can get nene

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  20. rondeezy says:
    May 12, 2011 at 10:08 pm

    @andre those are all the c’s hopes all in 1. were not getting more than 2 of those guys you listed cus we have barely any money to work with.
    @nate im talking about the late season games when he started. he grabbed 15 rebounds and got a lot of points, i dont really remember. as i already said, its not easy coming off the bench when you started all your life its going to take some time for him to adjust, you cant expect him to be a quality guy off the bench in 2-3 months playing 20mpg. paul pierce isnt that great of a rebounder either, is he trash too then? towards the last few games against the heat green really started attacking the rim, and playing respectable defense against lebron. and danny ainge said if green stays he might get paul coming off the bench and green to start so he can get more comfortable

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  21. paul says:
    May 12, 2011 at 11:45 pm

    So, Ainge has now already established that he intends to be stubborn about Jeff Green, calling for Paul Pierce to go to the bench and Green to go to the starting lineup. Wow. I don’t know if I’ve ever seen anyone LESS earn a starting spot. Ever. Ainge also makes blazingly mendacious and hypocritical comments to the affect that Doc may have to get used to not fighting for a championship every year in the future, as if Ainge didn’t treat THIS year as a year when a championship really didn’t matter that much. I’m hating Ainge more every passing day.

    So I wonder if anyone gives a damn about what really matters, which is that if Rondo becomes a better shooter, everyone else on the team becomes twice the player overnight? But why worry about a triviality like that, Danny, when you can play at being a General Manager, moving pieces around on your real monopoly board?

    I predicted that Danny would double down on Green, and it didn’t take him long to confirm it. The guy just makes me ill.

    If you want to improve the team, deliver an ultimatum to Rondo. He either improves his shooting, or he gets traded. This is for his own good as well as ours. Rondo has the talent to be an all time great player. But he MUST improve his shooting and scoring.

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  22. knowledge_base says:
    May 12, 2011 at 11:45 pm

    Posting this everywhere. WE NEED A STARTING CENTER. KG is getting older and needs someone to take the pressure off him in the middle, he cannot do it alone at this stage of his career and the Oneals are to injury prone to be counted on other than as bench Bigs.

    Names in this free agent class I like Tyson Chandler (Mark Cuban will probably over pay to keep) is the perfect fit to be KG’s running mate but unlikely. DeAndre Jordan I think is someone young we can steal from the Clippers, As said above Dalembert fits the bill as a stopper in the middle and I think we have a good shot at getting him. Last person I like is also unlikely. Marc Gasol he’s a got a good thing going in Memphis I’m sure they’ll pay to keep him and if not there will be a lot of suitors with deeper pockets and better trade assets I think. Also what’s good is there is a lot of wing depth to be had on the free agent market. Azubuike, Battier, Prince, Grant Hill. And I’d keep Jeff Green but only if he came cheap, but I think a full year might help how he looks in our rotation. We could steal 18 next year I truly believe that, but we need to get a center.

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  23. paul says:
    May 12, 2011 at 11:47 pm

    Turnovers are NOT the reason we lose. Careless turnovers hurt. turnovers caused by aggressive play do not

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  24. nate says:
    May 13, 2011 at 12:15 am

    Paul coming of the bench for Jeff Green that may be the dumbest shit I have ever heard in my entire life.

    JeffGreen Flat out sucked for 3 months on this team put up -21 plus minus against the knicks and some how earned a starting position.

    He may have had one game he rebounded well but it was never consitent.

    The good thing is Ainge picks the players but Doc pics the lineups.

    This adjustment to the bench crap is B.S. excuse its basketball so what you start you come of the bench the game is the same. He couldnt adjust to me is actually he sucked coming of the bench

    Plus I hate to see Ainge state the Doc will not always be coaching for championships. What? who says that Ainge wake up it is your job to consitently have the personel so this team can compete for a championship every year.

    Do you think red would ever say crap like that? Never!

    This is the Boston Celtics!

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  25. paul says:
    May 13, 2011 at 12:29 am

    For those who think the Heat got past us because they are so great, I predict this: Chicago will defeat them.

    They beat us because we played badly, AND they deliberately injured Rondo. Why did we play so badly, after such as strong season? Ok, sure, let’s goahead and pretend that The Trade had nothing to do with it.

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  26. James says:
    May 13, 2011 at 12:48 am

    PP ain’t coming off no bench anytime soon. But Green should get more minutes between SF/PF if he is to be effective. The ‘trade’ had nothing to do with PP getting only 3 rebs last night or KG shooting 1-10 in the previous game (why was KG shooting jumpers instead of working the paint as in Game 5?) and of course Rondo being hurt, or PP getting ejected in Game 1 after posting 19/7 to that point of the game in the 4th qtr. All the games were winnable especially the 1st and 4th games. At worst, the Cs should have been up 3-2 at this point. So don’t blame the ‘trade’ as it had nothing to do with poor play. KG and PP would laugh at that notion. Go Cs…

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  27. rondeezy says:
    May 13, 2011 at 1:21 am

    can you sound any more ignorant? adjustment to bench crap is bs lol…. he cant get a rhythm when hes coming off the bench for 20 minutes a night to guard the other teams best player when hes used to playing near 40 minutes a game. and yeah the trade did have nothing to do with it. is this celtics team so fragile that losing a guy who was the fifth best player on the team prevents them from making it out of the second round? was kp going to average a double double in the series to help our scoring droughts? yeah cus perks is a such a elite scorer right. was kp being in the middle prevent lebron from making some ridiculous 3′s at the end of games to tie/ice the game? james is right, we could be 3-2 in this series if pp was ejected cus a dumbass ref or if rondo wasnt injured. not only did he miss a crucial layup in game 4 he didnt play at all in fourth in game 5 and we couldnt get our offense going. dont try to blame the celtics losing on danny ainge when the celtics played like crap and didnt execute. even thinking about von wafer coming off the bench to guard lebron makes me shit my pants. and i dont understand why pp coming off the bench for green is such a bad idea. green can be more effective, and our bench can finally have the boost its been needing since posey. look at the averages for pp and green, green is a better rebounder. also itll help pp stay fresh for the postseason and since hes signed for the next 3 years we want him to be as fresh as possible.

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  28. Chris H says:
    May 13, 2011 at 4:30 am

    I love the idea of the big 3 coming off the bench next year. Give Green a chance. Let’s get some fresh young legs out there who can run with Rondo. Memphis has proven you don’t need a bunch of hall of famers on the court to win, so long as the team jels and plays hard together. And San Antonio has made role players out of their old timers. We can take something from both of these teams in re-tooling for next season. No way can the Big 3 keep playing so many minutes throughout the year and playoffs. They can’t close games. Period. Time for some fresh blood to help out. Who is out there? That’s the big question.

    Go Ainge. I’m done hating you.

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  29. Chris H says:
    May 13, 2011 at 4:33 am

    Paul: I agree. The Heat haven’t proven anything. The C’s played like crap, especially with turnovers, injuries and lack of rebounding. They’re acting like they’ve already won the championship. The Bulls just might kick their ass. I hope so.

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  30. paul says:
    May 13, 2011 at 8:56 am

    Chris,

    The turnovers aren’t what bother me. The lack of cohesion and commitment that led to them (as opposed to aggressive play) does. The Celtics just didn’t ‘want it’ that much, and the Heat did. And I hear you about Ainge, but Ainge is the reason. He blew up our cohesion and took away our starting center right as we entered the homestretch, basically LEADING the championship race. Why does virtually no one want to acknowledge how important that was. Ainge claimed that one of the reasons he did it was that we needed more athleticism to compete with the Heat; can’t we see what a self-fulfilling prophecy that was?

    Now it’s become the common refrain, that a new day of athleticism has dawned in the NBA. I think that is a load of total merde. People make the same claim every time there is a change of the guard. No, all that’s happened is that long-dominant older teams are giving way to younger teams. It’s not about athleticism, or even about youth, per se. It’s just a changing of the guard. The idea that it’s about athleticism is such an incredibly superficial assessment.

    And let’s think about what Ainge did for a moment. We all KNEW at the beginning of the year that we had an old, slow team that was potentially vulnerable to injury. We hoped that coherence and experience, determination, Rondo, and Power in the Pivot would allow us to prevail all the same. Now it wasn’t Ainge’s fault that injury ravaged us. In fact, Ainge did a brilliant job of preparing us to be able to handle that, apart from letting Tony Allen go. But it WAS Ainge’s fault that he succumbed to the idea that only athleticism could win, and destroyed the very qualities of this team that we had hoped would allow us to prevail, despite being old and slow: cohesion, execution, determination and power in the pivot. OVERNIGHT we became a disheartened team, plagued by players who couldn’t pick up the game plans or the plays, and/or felt confused about their roles, and so weak at the center position that we asked Garnett to become a dominator in the pivot, even though that’s never been his forte.

    I think that Ainge has made basically two really good moves in his career, and that he probably doesn’t deserve most of the credit for them. Bringing the Big Three together was daring, but it was the Big Three themselves, with the help of Doc, that made it work. And getting Rondo and sticking by him – well, that was genuinely visionary, though here again, it was really the Big Three and Rondo that made it work. As far as anyone can tell, Ainge is just plain clueless at this point.

    His cluelessness, contrived though it may be, is stunning. He’s talking about how we need a young center. WE HAD A YOUNG CENTER ONE MONTH AGO!!! He’s talking about giving Jeff Green a bigger role, and possibly even diminishing Paul Pierce’s role. For God’s sake, Pierce just had a brilliant season, and Jeff Green still isn’t one tenth the player Pierce is. And Ainge hasn’t said one word about the single most important thing: if Rondo learns to shoot better, you could four minor league players with him and potentially have a formidable starting unit. But if not, the Rondo Defense is going to just increasingly choke the life out of the Celtics, while destroying Rondo’s career.

    Rondo is at a threshold year in his career. He cannot go another year without improved shooting and scoring ability, especially at the free throw line. This year SHOULD have been his breakthrough year, and in some ways it was, but the achilles heel of his career also became bigger and bigger. Rondo is the most talented player i the league, I think. But he cannot sit pat with the range of skills he has. He has to expand them.

    As for Ainge, it would help if he would just ACKNOWLEDGE that The Trade was a terrible move, and that fans are right to be angry, and that he’ll try to make up for it. But he won’t. Instead, he’ll take refuge from reality in stubbornness, pushing Green forward even more forcefully as the future.

    As for the cHeat? Yes, I think they’ll lose to Chicago. We’ll see.

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  31. Chris H says:
    May 13, 2011 at 2:51 pm

    Paul: I hear you, I truly hear you. Would we have won with Perk? Who knows? But we definitely would have had a better chance as a cohesive unit, something lost after the trade. Which does help explain the turnovers (this team hadn’t meshed; for Christ sakes, Doc had to tear the play book in half because the new guys hadn’t had the time to learn it. Not a way to enter the playoffs.

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  32. Nate says:
    May 13, 2011 at 10:13 pm

    The big three era died when Kendrick Perkins was traded. Wehad no one to play the defensive center. Lebron and swayed got to the whole. The worst part about the trade first it gave every team confidence when your rival team says I love the trade that is a bad thing. Second teams ate up kristic most our losses after the trade where because we could not defend down low and we could not rebound because we where missing a true center. We gave up home court. What losses me off is Danny still defends this trade as if to spite every fan. Stating Paul will come off the bench Paul didn’t trade the fucking center and destroy ubuntu and the teams chemistry for two hack players.

    Danny now states we need to get you after promising that two senior citizen basketball players where going to get healthy and put us over the top.

    It never happened now he expects us to believe in Jeff green and kristic after watching them not cut it this year and their whole career.

    Danny you should have just said NO

    The truth is coming out now WE WANTED HARDEN thunder said no we settled. Danny gave a key bench player that helped us go to the finals a two year deal Memphis gave him three years 3 million he left and changed his new teams demeanor.

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