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What to do with Jeff Green and Glen Davis?

If you’re a Celtics fan who enjoyed watching Glen Davis and Jeff Green toward the end of Boston’s season, you’re probably the type of person who self-administers Chinese water torture. The two oft-maligned players are free agents now (Davis is unrestricted, Green is restricted), so the Celtics will have to make some decisions regarding their futures.

Davis took a large step back in his development. Many Boston media members said he gained 15-20 pounds during the season, but let’s be honest—with Davis, a few extra pounds are difficult to recognize. Either way, whether he was a “svelte” 300 or a chubby 320, Davis stopped doing the things that made him so successful earlier this season. He started taking hero shots on offense, lost confidence in his jumper, rebounded the ball like a circus midget, and even became less proficient taking charges, which had grown to be his forte.

Green, likewise, disappointed. After Danny Ainge made significant overhaul to a championship favorite during midseason, Green held an important responsibility in the eyes of the Boston faithful. He needed to succeed by himself, and he needed to help the Celtics win a championship. Unfortunately, Green did neither. Rather than flourishing under a championship environment, Green’s shortcomings became painfully obvious. He didn’t always seem to play full throttle. He rebounded like a blind ten-year old. He was brought in to add scoring punch to Boston’s second unit, and to (gasp) defend opposing small forwards while Paul Pierce rested. Green did neither. Granted, there were a lot of factors working against him—he was added to a team with complex schemes in the middle of a season; his role decreased from playing 37 minutes per game to playing 20; and he was primarily playing a position (small forward) he had rarely played during his NBA career. Still, the Celtics fan base (and probably Ainge, too) expected more.

Now Green and Davis, objects of scorn and contempt the past few months, are free agents. And though letting them go would seem like a no-brainer to some, things aren’t that simple in the NBA. If the Celtics let Green and Davis both walk, the C’s will remain over the salary cap. Under current CBA rules, that means they will be unable to sign outside free agents except for the use of their mid-level exception. In other words, Davis and Green might be the only free agents (except for their mid-level exception) Boston can target for greater than the veteran’s minimum. Sadly, signing Green or Davis to a long-term deal for any significant amount of money seems like an easy “hell, no” (at this moment in time, at least; ask Tony Allen if a player’s value can change). Even if the Celtics choose not to sign either player long-term, there are options.

Sign-and-trade:

Using a sign-and-trade deal would allow Boston to secure assets for the future even while saying sayonara to Davis and/or Green. For example, if the Celtics sign-and-traded Davis to Los Angeles, they might receive Randy Foye in return. That would help the Celtics because Foye is a decent scorer off the bench, and because his contract expires at the end of next season, when the Celtics will presumably hope to rebuild (or reload, depending on your amount of optimism). This trade is just hypothetical. I’m not saying I want to do it, nor am I saying the Clippers or Celtics would want to do it. I’m just explaining a route the Celtics might take.

Another sign-and-trade option would be to package Green and Davis (and perhaps the Clippers’ 2012 first-round pick). This could net Boston a larger expiring contract for next season (sticking with the Clippers, perhaps Chris Kaman). Again, the goal would be to set Boston up for the future while improving the team’s title chances for next season.

A problem with these sign-and-trade hypotheticals? Green and Davis have both played themselves out of value. It seems unlikely any team would be willing to spend big money on two players who more or less shat themselves for the past few months, nor does it seem likely they’ll be willing to give up much value in a sign-and-trade. The Celtics could find a meager sign-and-trade market. Then again, this is the NBA, where Brendan Haywood can sign a $55 million contract and proceed to average 4.4 points per game.

Qualifying offer (for Green only):

Because Green’s a restricted free agent, the Celtics can (and will, according to Danny Ainge) offer him a qualifying offer. This is a one-year offer sheet that does two things:

1) It allows the Celtics the opportunity to match any offer Green receives this summer.

2) If Green doesn’t receive any offers he deems worthy of signing, he can return to the Celtics next year on a one-year contract, at the price of the qualifying offer (which, if I’m not mistaken, would be $5,908,640). The one-year contract would allow Green to revisit free agency next season as an unrestricted free agent.

Returning to the Celtics to play for the qualifying offer could be Green’s best choice this summer. Presumably, he lost himself a lot of money this season. Accepting the qualifying offer would make Green decent money (relatively speaking) this season while also giving him the chance to play his way into a bigger contract next year. Again, this is the NBA, where Travis Outlaw can make $35 million. All bets are off. But I wouldn’t be surprised at all if Green finds a slim market and accepts Boston’s qualifying offer.

I would be surprised (and disappointed) if the Celtics re-sign Green and/or Davis to long-term deals. But if Danny Ainge gets creative, he may be able to net Boston some assets for the present while also maintaining future cap flexibility.

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categories Celtics Blog | Jay King | May 14, 2011

27 Responses to “What to do with Jeff Green and Glen Davis?”

  1. James says:
    May 14, 2011 at 11:38 am

    This picture says it all. In fact this is the Celtics terrible rebounding issue in a nutshell. Green is defending LBJ (and did a pretty good job as you said a couple of times Jay – so your bagging on his defense is somewhat at odds with previous comments, and yes he needs to rebound better and be more aggressive on the offensive end) and Davis is what? Davis is leaving his man open (Anthony) who killed the Cs on the boards. This shot attempt is defended about as good as one can and may have even been blocked. Let’s assume the shot missed, ergo solid defense by Green but no rebounding coverage on Anthony. Davis, by far, is the issue not Green. He needs to get down to 260-270 max and be fined every-time he gets to 275. He deserves a one-year offer and nothing else or do a sign and trade. Green should also get the one-year deal so he can get a full training camp and ultimately play better with more games with this group. I think Green can be a 10-12+/6-8 player but he needs to step up and deliver that every night. And please Kaman??? Played only 32 games and he’s highly injury prone and is set to make $12.7M next yr. No thanks. Go Cs…

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  2. Zack Alsop says:
    May 14, 2011 at 12:16 pm

    In my opinion i think that the celtics should drop “big baby” (sense that name fits him perfectly, looking at what he did in the playoffs) and let jeff green have a whole off season to get accustomed to the celtics offense and develop relationships with the other celtics members. Besides i kinda liked the way jeff green played in the playoffs, i mean sure he had some bad moments, but overall id give him a B-Minus or a B-Plus for his performance in the playoffs. Glen Davis had some decent moments, but not enough of them. I would give him a C or C-Plus.

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  3. jtshoopsblog says:
    May 14, 2011 at 1:47 pm

    I’m sure they will resign Green and Davis.

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  4. paul says:
    May 14, 2011 at 1:57 pm

    For God’s sake, Glen Davis has been with us for several years, has improved, and for MOST OF THIS SEASON played well for us; in fact, he was a key player for us most of this year. But you guys want to trash the player who has done a lot for us, in favor of the player who has done next to nothing for us. And you can’t even see how CRAZY that is.

    But you’re only being crazy the way Ainge is. Ainge wants Mr. Nothing Green to start next year over team mvp Paul Pierce! Oh wait, he retracted that. Sort of. Though not really.

    As for your photo interpretation, James, if you look a little closer, you’ll see that Baby has rotated over to keep Lebron out of the paint, apparently successfully, and is apparently looking to cut off a possible pass from Lebron to Anthony. That all looks very correct. We’d have to see it in video to see if he rotates back to Anthony.

    You’d see all that if you weren’t so intent on singing Green’s praises.

    I don’t doubt that weight gain hurt Davis, but what hurt him more, quite obviously, was feeling confusion over his role due to the The Trade. Baby likes having a clear place in the rotation. The Trade threw the rotation he had become used to, the one where he had played a key role, out the window. No new rotation was ever established. And in case you think it’s pampering Davis to make note of this, then why isn’t it doing the same with Green when we say ‘oh, poor baby was used to starting and didn’t know how to cope with coming off the bench’?

    I actually think that it would be good to keep both guys, on short term contracts, as I think they both continue to have upsides, though they’ve both been journeymen for quite a while now. But I think we’ll see Danny double down on Green, signing him to some ridiculous contract. Not one to admit to a mistake, our Danny.

    Speaking of mistakes, the only thing that really matters this offseason is Rondo improving his shooting. But when you add Ainge’s stubborness to Rondo’s, I fear the result will be an epic logjam.

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  5. James says:
    May 14, 2011 at 2:23 pm

    paul…it’s clear he is shooting the ball and since when does it take two guys to keep LBJ from the paint? Green has already cut him off and at worse fouls him. the point is Davis left his man and that was a way too common occurrence all season long. Way too much double teaming leaving shooters open at the 3 line and leaving offensive rebounds for players that should have been blocked out. there is absolutely no reason Anthony should be that wide open 2 ft from the hoop. I’ve played enough hoops in my day to know my eyes are seeing this photo correctly. LBJ has his left hand off the ball and is elevating his right hand with the ball for either an alley-oop or a shot off the glass. That is not a ‘passing’ holding of the ball or form. And if he passes it instead of shooting how’s the tub of lard Davis going to defend if he doesn’t stay with his man??? Davis’ game dropped by at least 50% this year instead of building as it had all his other seasons. He made tons of mental errors, shot terribly, missed lay-ups and did not rebound like a 6’8″ 300 PF should. I mean hell, he’s got the weight so why did he not use it to block guys off the boards, as in this shot. Oh that’s right, the ‘trade’ caused all that to happen. My bad, again!!! Go CS….

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  6. kennard says:
    May 14, 2011 at 2:47 pm

    Paul Pierce,Ray Allen and KG should all talk to Samuel Dalembert and convince him to sign with the Celtics.
    Trade Kristic and Big Baby for Chuck Hayes.
    Next year,the The Big Three should play no more than 30 minutes during the regular season.Chuck Hayes could play 30 minutes a night behind KG.
    It’s no coincidence that KG went for 28 and 18 against Miami after 3 days rest.KG has a lot left,he just needs rest for the home stretch and he needs a reliable backup and a center who has his back on the defensive end.
    KG has been playing pro ball since he was 18 years old.The man needs his REST !!!!
    Go C’s !!!!!!!!!!!

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  7. paul says:
    May 14, 2011 at 3:19 pm

    According to Simmons, Ainge initially wanted Harden, not Green, from the Thunder, in The Trade. On one hand, that makes sooooo much more sense. Harden could have been a real gamechanger, giving us offensive power off the bench. But, if it’s true that Ainge originally asked for Harden, it also shows what a filthy liar Ainge is, because it demonstrates that the deal was NEVER about Green, but was always about GETTING RID OF PERKINS. Nor was it ever about finding someone to fill in behind Pierce, or to play D on Lebron, since Harden is a guard. It was about GETTING RID OF PERKINS.

    And anyone who can justify a deal to GET RID OF PERKINS is, well, a true devotee in the world of canned, rigged, manipulated hype.

    But at least the idea of trading Perkins for Harden isn’t as beat-your-head-against-a-wall crazy as trading Perkins for Green was.

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  8. paul says:
    May 14, 2011 at 3:19 pm

    http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/05/14/what-if-james-harden-had-been-traded-to-boston-in-the-perkins-deal

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  9. paul says:
    May 14, 2011 at 3:25 pm

    The thought of Harden coming to the Celtics also speaks to the crucial need for Rondo to become a better shooter. As long as Rondo is one of the worst shooters in the league, any scoring guard who can pass a little who isn’t named Ray Allen (the most diplomatic of human beings) will be a threat to him, which is silly and counterproductive.

    Learn to shoot, Rondo. It’s time.

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  10. Nick says:
    May 14, 2011 at 5:47 pm

    Baby will never get much better than how he is now for the rest of hid career… He is to undersized. That says it all in one sentence,

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  11. James says:
    May 14, 2011 at 6:06 pm

    paul…I can justify it so count me as the newly established self-proclaimed leader of “the world of canned, rigged, manipulated hype”. I’m all in and would be every-time. Perk was a mediocre, at best, center that never averaged dbl boards in a season, averaged only 5.8 pts and 5.8 boards in last year’s Finals, has seen his offensive stats drop significantly since leaving (and his offense wasn’t good to begin with), and isn’t showing much in his playoff run this season. Why are you so in love with Perk? Dave Cowens would eat his lunch even when he was 34 years old as he had better stats than Perk does at 26. I don’t understand this put Perk on the alter mentality that you and others keep touting and rueing the loss of. The fact remains that the CS were relying on Shaq and JO to fill the center role as both are better than Perk. Unfortunately for us they got injured and that cost us heavily. But we still could have advanced if Rondo hadn’t been injured or PP ejected. That alone should tell you how non-valuable having Perk would have meant. It’s time to move on or are we going to hear about the ‘trade’ for the next millennium??? Go Cs…

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  12. paul says:
    May 14, 2011 at 6:14 pm

    People say that Rondo can dominate a game without scoring a point. I agree with that. I don’t say that he has to score because he’s not contributing enough if he doesn’t score (though in the future, starting next year, we really will need him scoring more), but because he needs to be perceived by other teams as a scoring threat in order to make some of his other abilities more effective.

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  13. Sarah says:
    May 14, 2011 at 8:50 pm

    Paul, I totally agree w/you about Rondo developing a reliable jump shot this summer. That last season game against the Spurs showed that the shot is in there. He should also take about a zillion free throws/day to get that 55% at least into the high 70%s. I love Rondo just as he is but honing those skills would take him into the stratosphere.

    Aside from Baby’s weight gain and horrific play the last couple months of the season/into the playoffs, I was really bothered by his comments after the Game 5 loss. He clearly believes he should be a starter and “show the world his talents.” The problem is (and I don’t have the numbers at hand to back me up) that he’s much better off the bench. Or at least was for the C’s for MOST of the season. Maybe he thought he would become a starter after the trade??? Who knows but he did not bring it in the post-season.

    Like we all keep saying, C’s need a young center and a dynamic scorer off the bench. Someone in the mold of the Nate Robinson from LAST year’s playoffs. I was glad to see him traded this year as he’d gotten into the habit of clanging 3-point shots off the rim on fast breaks. ugh!! But he rocked it in the 2010 post-season.

    And listen, I love Perk but I’m not sure he would have helped us much against Miami. The C’s needed the ability to make offensive runs and just didn’t have it. That’s part of what killed us in Games 4 and 5. Poor KG was gassed after Game 3 and I think PP was gassed after Game 4. Come on, the NBA ages its players in dog years!

    I confess that I don’t have a solid grasp of NBA economics w/salary caps etc. I’ve been watching the Griz-OKC series, and I’m really impressed w/Marc Gasol, who I believe is a restricted free agent next year. But from what I’ve read about Boston’s salary situation and from the visibility M Gasol’s getting in the playoffs, I’m guessing the guy would be way out of Boston’s reach financially.

    ANYWAY, at least Doc’s gonna be at the helm for 5 more years. Should be an interesting summer for C’s. Maybe we’ll get lucky with a truncated 2011-2012 season due to lock-out and the old guys can get another ring.

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  14. Chris H says:
    May 14, 2011 at 10:54 pm

    Sarah:

    You hit the hammer on the head of the nail in regards to Davis: His comments after the game reflect his piss-poor attitude. Instead of apologizing for the worst play of his career when his team needed him the most, he boasts that he deserves to be a starter.

    Yes, Baby, you deserve to start on the Cavs, if you’re lucky.

    He has little arms on that flabby body; he missed a wide open dunk this year. He’s only going to get fatter, which means he’s going to want to settle on that ugly fade away jumpshot more and more.

    We have to get rid of him. I’d rather see Krystic in the game than Baby.

    I actually see potential for Kystic off the bench. And I see potential for Green, since we probably won’t get anything better for him anyway. Give him a training camp and full season, and he may work out. He is a great athlete with size.

    and I also believe that Green will become a better defender given time. Ray Allen’s defense definitely improved after coming to Boston. And correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t Pierce’s D get better over the years?

    Green proved he can score in OKC. The Cs need a scorer. The trade has been done, and since Ainge is stubborn, Green will be back. Let’s hope he meshes next season.

    Can the C’s be contenders next season? That is a huge question.

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  15. Chris H says:
    May 14, 2011 at 11:01 pm

    Q for all: I don’t follow college B-ball. I already waste enough time on the C’s.

    Are there any players in the draft who could help the C’s this year? And I mean right away, not development players like last year’s draft. Guys who can step in and make a difference.

    Are there any centers available? Is Chris Johnson available or did he get resigned by whoever got him after the Cs? I like Johnson; he’s skinny but agile; he blocks shots, plays hard, and can score. In the few games with the C’s, he showed promise, and he didn’t play scared. I was disappointed they let him go.

    He can also get out on the break with Rondo.

    It may not take expensive players to make a contender. Scrappy role players and team chemistry may be the way to go. I hope the C’s are willing to experiment with some younger talent next season; but Doc loves playing his starters while leaving young talent to rot on the bench.

    Memphis proved that the 8 seed can compete in the playoffs. Next season, the C’s should experiment in finding player combos that can win. If you can get hot come playoff time, that’s all that matters.

    I’d love to see the Big 3 come off the bench. And a shortened season to give them even more rest. Anything can happen.

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  16. Nick says:
    May 14, 2011 at 11:39 pm

    Chris:
    The entire Big 3? That seems a little drastic. Maybe one of them, like Ray Allen for example, but not all of them. Specific reasoning?

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  17. Nick says:
    May 14, 2011 at 11:45 pm

    http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/05/14/what-if-james-harden-had-been-traded-to-boston-in-the-perkins-deal/

    If only…

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  18. Chris H says:
    May 15, 2011 at 1:33 am

    Nick:

    Yes, because the regular season truly doesn’t matter. Look at Memphis. Look at Boston last year.

    Forget getting a top two seed next year. So why play the Big 3 limited minutes? And that solves our bench problems. We’d have the best bench in the NBA.

    West/Rondo in backcourt. Green (or whoever we trade for) as forward. Get a center and forward in the off season. A young athletic team that can run and finish games, something the C’s can no longer do, the reason they lost so many regular season games, plus three playoff games to Miami.

    It’s time to start rebuilding around the Big 3. Memphis gives me hope. So do the Spurs. Memphis has a young scrappy team that plays hard, whereas the Spurs won a lot of games with their vets becoming role players. Can we find a happy medium between those two models?

    Plus, but having the Big 3 come off the bench, they will last more in the years to come, to finish their contracts. Not too many miles left on the tires, so why not keep the mileage off the cars?

    Of the 3, Ray can probably handle the most minutes. Garnett is fabulous for 12 minutes, as we saw in the first quarter of game 5. Let him play in bursts and see what he can do.

    But we can’t rely on them anymore.

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  19. rondeezy says:
    May 15, 2011 at 1:53 am

    who says harden would be better than green? if harden came to the c’s then that article could very well be titled “what is jeff green had been traded to boston in the kendrick perkins deal.” perkins being in boston would not have helped beat miami so this whole perkins talk needs to stop cus its already done and gone.

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  20. Nick says:
    May 15, 2011 at 3:12 am

    Rondeezy…
    Not what I’m trying to say. I don’t like the talks of the trade either. Yes, I’m being a lite hypocritical because I made a comment about that article. But, Harden would have been much better to have then Green. Harden was already used to the bench role so it wouldn’t have been much of an adjustment for him. Maybe the environment and that’s all. The purpose of the trade was to get a backup for Paul pierce. Harden could have played a little backup behind Pierce, and helped out Ray as well.
    Not that it matters. Just saying, it would have been better for the team.
    Chris…
    I agree now that you explained it. Because it makes perfect sense. But that would only be able to work effectively if we do get a good SF( or green I geuss) and a good center/forward. I love that idea. Like the celtics wouldn’t even need to get any more than 3 players to make them champion caliber team. I love the idea. But who would we trade for? We’d need to trade for one of the three spots( SF, PF, Center) and use he MLE on one of them. Fabulous idea Chris. Nice job.

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  21. Chris H says:
    May 15, 2011 at 6:02 am

    Thanks Nick, and the real question remains: Who is out there who could help the C’s? Given the salary range, they will have to find medium or low budget players who can still contribute. It’s possible. I really believe it is. There have to be guys even in D-League who could really excel if given a chance.

    Dallas has that little point guard who backs up Jason Kidd. I’m drawing a blank but he came from D-League and contributes a lot. Back in the day, Curt Rambis was discovered in semi pro ball. And I still like the idea of Chris Johnson coming back, if available. Let’s get some scrappy talent that will hustle, rebound, play D, get out on the break, and play together. With the Big 3 as leaders and role models, it could all come together.

    Miami isn’t THAT great. Nor is Chicago. We can compete if we fill in the puzzle with the right pieces. And you have the whole regular season for the chemistry to build, so long as Ainge doesn’t pull any more stupid mid season trades.

    Is any team in the NBA really that dominant right now? I don’t think so. The fact that Memphis is going to seven games in the second round says enough.

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  22. paul says:
    May 15, 2011 at 10:09 am

    The Globe’s Mark Murphy writes about Rondo’s determination to lead the Celtics next year:

    http://bostonherald.com/sports/basketball/celtics/view/2011_0515lead_by_example_rondo_ready_to_step_up_for_celts/

    Sadly, I continue to wonder if Rondo really gets it that this is a make or break summer for him. When he comes back next year, he needs to come back ready to break the Rondo Defense, and to do that, he needs to be a better shooter. I know you are a stubborn man, Rondo, but PLEASE don’t be stubborn about this right now. You have to be a better shooter and more of a scorer for us next year. We need that.

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  23. James says:
    May 15, 2011 at 1:23 pm

    Chris… intriguing idea but not likely to happen considering KG & PP both make $20M plus. I definitely could see RA as the sixth man and start KG/PP but limit them to 25 minutes max per game (instead of the 35+ etc). Therefore, those two could start and the fans paying their salaries will be happy (me too watching) but limit their 2nd qtr and 3rd qtr minutes so that Green and another wing or PF get at least 25 mins also. Then those playing best or the core 4 could have the 4th qtr as their give-it-their-all time which we know they can still do. This way we do as you suggest by saving minutes on the older players, give time to the young up and coming players, and develop our rookies better. Somebody should suggest this to DA and the brass! Go Cs…

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  24. Nick says:
    May 15, 2011 at 3:03 pm

    Chris.. The little backup point guard for Jason Kidd on the Mavs Is JJ Barea. Unless your thinking of someone else. He does the primary backup job for that position.

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  25. Chris H says:
    May 15, 2011 at 9:46 pm

    James, yeah I forgot about that little thing called (millions of dollars in) salary. But we all agree that the Big 3 need limited minutes. I’m watching the Bulls-Heat game right now and the energy level is unbelievable —- making me realize all the more than the C’s need to go younger and faster and more athletic to compete next year. That’s not to say that the Big 3 aren’t still able to compete, but they need help. Big help.

    Nick, thanks, yes, it’s Barea. That little f—-r is like an annoying little bee out on the court, buzzing through the lane and finding the open shooter. I love that little f—–r.

    And I’m serious. The C’s should send some scouts to Africa, find the next Hakeem Olajuwan.

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  26. paul says:
    May 15, 2011 at 11:33 pm

    The more people talk about Rondo, Green and Davis the more crazed they seem. A bizarre consensus seems to be building that Rondo should be traded for Chris Paul, that Davis (who was only our sixth man and most versatile player for most of this season) is a scrub who should be kicked out, and that Green is our “future”.

    Danny Ainge’s insanity is frighteningly contagious.

    Listen, we already have some nice young players in Baby, Green and West. We do not have to run around with our hair on fire. The single most important thing is for Rondo to improve his shooting. That alone will make everyone else more effective.

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  27. knowledge_base says:
    May 16, 2011 at 1:40 am

    Baby’s effort and decision making needs to make up for his athletic short comings. First half of the season he more than did that, second half and playoffs…yeah not at all. Baby has aspirations of starting and playing more minutes and making more money and perhaps he should take that opportunity elsewhere. I have great affection for BBD but I think its time for him and the Celtics to part ways. Jeff Green was up and down but the qualifying offer for him and us is a no brainer, if he plays well this year and his stock rises he may very well be able to force Danny to pony up some real cash in 2012 for the rebuilding/reloading project so unless someone throws an ignorant amount of money at him (doubtful with the new CBA) Green will be in Green next year.

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