Danny Ainge does not think Celtics are contenders the way they’re playing
In the best of times, Danny Ainge sits at his desk, kicks his feet up and calls 29 general managers per day, hoping to reach his self-imposed daily quota of 615 trade offers, sometimes offering Otis Smith a maximum-contract box of Velveeta shells and cheese in exchange for Dwight Howard because, let’s face it, nobody ever knows when Smith will accept a mind-boggling, severely damaging swap (see: Glen Davis, Gilbert Arenas). Ainge is active like a jackrabbit and as hesitant to pull the trigger as Brandon Bass, even in the best of times.
So now, with the Celtics having lost four out of five and sometimes looking like hunters with no ammunition, Ainge is contemplating what moves to make at the trade deadline. While nothing is imminent, he’s considering a wide variety of options to help a team he says “is not a team that we feel like is a contending team the way we’re playing.” (WEEI)
As for his own roster, Ainge said that he was encouraged by his team’s defense, but acknowledged that, “Our team has been very up and down, very inconsistent.”
“Our offense has been under par,” Ainge said. “We are turning the ball over too much and we’re making a pretty good percentage of our shots, but the turnovers have really hurt is this year, again. We’ve shown signs of playing very good basketball against very good teams periodically, but not consistently. Our team, as it is right now, is not a team that we feel like is a contending team the way we’re playing. And they have to step it up, and this road trip will be a very good test for us.” …
The trade deadline is March 15 and players who were signed in the offseason can’t be traded until March 1. Ainge said that he has explored both long-term and short-term possibilities.
“I’m exploring opportunities for both, always. To help the here and now and to prepare for the future,” Ainge said. “A lot of it depends on the opportunities that are there. Right now, there’s nothing in the works for the Boston Celtics. Doc Rivers likes our team. I talked with our four All-Stars recently, they all really like our team and they feel like they’re better than they’ve been playing, and so, we’ll see. These next few weeks will be big.”
Ainge is likely going to ride out the Big Three this season and look to rebuild in the offseason. Not necessarily because he wants to, but because only certain trades make sense — ones that net Boston draft picks and young players with manageable contracts — and judging by what the Celtics have to offer (older players on their way out, younger players with plenty of flaws, draft picks they probably want to keep for the rebuilding process), those trades will be difficult to come by.
But he will turn over every rock and dig up every hole, seeing what he can do for the Celtics. If Ainge is nothing else, he’s bold and unafraid. That’s not always a great thing, but it does mean he’s always looking for a suitable deal.
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Celtics Blog | Jay King | February 17, 2012
What we had before, it seems to me, was a formula that worked. Basically, Paul owned the right elbow, KG owned the right elbow, and Allen owned the arc, especially the wings. Each guy had a secondary area. For KG it was the post. For Paul it was the heart of the lane, in traffic, and the top of the arc. Ray didn’t need it that much, since he had the whole arc, but maybe his secondary ability was the ability to drive from the wings.
Rondo’s role was, I think, mostly passive, but he was the distributor, the passing wizard and the opportunist. He was happy, as a scorer, to pick at the Big Three’s leavings.
But as the years went buy, Rondo was less comfortable with a narrow supporting role. Meanwhile, the Big Three were aging – still effective, they were slowly becoming less effective. And then teams started sagging off Rondo. Most of the time the Celtics could compensate for all this with their wizard-like passing, and Rondo found a space he could grow into there. But still, at times, defenses could make the entire half-court seem hopelessly congested. This became worse after The Trade, because The Trade hurt Boston where it hurt them the most; it diminished their cohesion. Ubuntu itself began to break down.
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As I see it, that brings us to where we are now. Going into this season, it was decided that the biggest upgrade the Celtics needed was a point guard who could shoot better than Rondo. It was thought that this would stop the sagging and thus ease congestion. The resulting seemingly desperate attempt to shop Rondo was another hammer blow to Ubuntu. It was obvious that the Big Three were complicit in this effort, and Rondo felt hurt and alienated from the entire organization, though he handled it like a pro. He came out of the preseason determined to prove himself on so many levels. He wanted to prove 1) that he could be a shooter/scorer and 2)that he could be the cornerstone of the Celtics future. Rondo’s first two games were splendid, except for one thing: his teammates did not rise to his leadership, and that seemed to leave him feeling even more alienated. Then Paul Pierce rode back in from the injury list, like a knight in white armor. He was out of shape, but no one even thought to blame him for this (though Rondo was in great shape, by comparison). The team responded and started winning.
But the increasingly familiar friction between Rondo and Pierce began to raise its head, and the Celtics began to lose again. Rondo went down with injury, and Pierce joined hands with Bradley to lead the rest of the team to a roaring 8 game resuscitation of the season. Rondo seemed utterly irrelevant, suddenly.
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The story goes on from there, of course. Rondo came back, then fell on his face, then stormed back in a halo of glory, only to find once again that the team does not accept his leadership. Now we find ourselves mired in yet another losing streak, with ubuntu now a wistful memory of long ago and far away. It seems that the rise of Rondo as an offensive player has made the Celtics court even more congested. No one knows who should have the ball, no one can get open, and with Bigs going down, defense and rebounding are increasingly things we can only dream about (rebounding more than defense, obviously). But at the heart of this story is two amazing players, Paul Pierce and Rajon Rondo, locking horns. Basically, if one guy has the ball, the other is sulking. Every once in a while, the two connect on a play, and it’s real magic. But those moments seem rare. Last night, Paul drove the lane, got surrounded, and then in the blink of an eye Rondo flashed to the basket, Paul saw him and dished the ball to him, and it was an easy two. That was pretty special. One would like to see more of that.
Maybe it would help if Rondo could somehow find a bread and butter play of his own. If he could get that post up thing really really working, that might be the one. Then maybe we could return to that rough division of the floor we once had. Right now, Rondo is pretty amazing at a lot of ways of scoring, but doesn’t actually OWN one. He might own the post if he could establish position closer to the lane before getting the ball.
But basically, these guys have to find their way back to ubuntu before they can redefine the character of this team, and from that point maybe redeem the rest of the season. Sadly, so far, there’s no indication that they are on the verge of doing this. But I say it’s a work in progress, and they should certainly have the rest of this season to try to do it.
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As always, Paul. You are right on the money! Who would you like to see on the roster next season?
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Thanks! It’s hard for me to even think about that right now, because honestly, I don’t expect Rondo to be with the Celtics next year, and I think we should build around Rondo.
Who do you think?
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Rondo on the post = stupid stupid stupid
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Paul Pierce was a beast a few weeks ago when Rondo was out, and the team was winning. Since Rondo has returned something has gone wrong with Pierce’s game, and the Celtics are not winning. I really like Rajon Rondo, and he is obviously one of the most valuable players on this team, but Paul Pierce is still the captain, right? The offense needs to run through Pierce more somehow. This team can still be dynamic offensively, but they better get back to the drawing board.
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KG owned the left elbow, of course, not the right elbow.
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Perk sucks dude stop acting like we traded away Micheal Jordan geez
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Tell Danny thst he sucks. Boston needs a GM like the SA Spurs. They never have an issue with getting good talent. The Celtics are not going to win games doing jump shots. when they outrebound and play in the paint, they win, getting these frail, tall guys will nit cut it. while other tems are utilizing the dleague on 10 dy contracts, Danny is sitting on his butt
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Got to attack the basket.
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Interesting how the same executive who built a team that wins the championship now “sucks” because the core is older and can’t produce like they used to. Had SA not been lucky and had Duncan all into their laps, no one would talk about their brilliance (though I give them full credit for acquiring good complimentary players).
No GM or exec bats 1.000, not even Jerry West (Elden Campbell) or Popovich (Richard Jefferson). Recetly, Danny made a good trade for Bass, both Moore and Johnson have shown they have talent, and Wilcox is starting to live up to what we hoped for when signing him.
The basic problem, I don’t believe, is friction between Pierce and Rondo so much as the fact that the style of play that favors Rondo is different than the style of play that favors PP, KG and RA. And the veterans aren’t capable of, day in and day out, carrying the scoring load like they used to. The ideal would be acquiring a primary scorer who can create shots and make baskets late in close games — but those don’t grow on trees nor are they easy to acquire.
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That’s not gonna happen. Nobody is gonna give us a scorer on a silver platter. So stop hoping for some fantasy move that won’t happen. Why is everyone forgeting the half-court offense that brought us to two finals? Are you not mentioning it on purpose, or do you genuinely not remember?
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You make some good points, but a few weeks ago when Rondo was out, Paul Pierce turned back the clock and looked like a legitimate MVP candidate with his scoring, l
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After Monday they won’t even be a .500 team. Co Cs…
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C’mon James you have more faith than that
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Not at the moment based on their current play. Go Cs…prove me wrong!
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They need a big who can post up and rebound, that’s what killing them in games, second chance points for the other teams bc we can’t rebound!!!!
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OK, so here’s the real problem and it has nothing to do with ubuntu. The Cs’ core has played together for 5 years so they know each other’s games. Are they coasting, as they have in the past? Of course. It’s one of their worst habits. That said, if they would all just agree to attack the boards on every play then I believe all the other issues like who owns the offense (no one does, the team owns it) and all this other b.s. would go away. Win the boards, win the games. But they have to work at it and not just talk about it. If they rebounded better then we’d see the fast-breaking, uptempo offense we all love. Everyone would then be getting their shots and all the crap about who should run the offense would die away. RR is the general and he’s damn good at getting the ball where it needs to be or taking the open drive (and now he seems to have a fairly good jumper) so leave him alone and all this ubuntu is missing talk crap. The Cs have the talent, and BB needs to be back but with CW and JJ emerging and AB already showing what he can do I still believe we can win it all. At the moment I am really, really pissed at their play but it’s all about effort and that just isn’t being given or addressed as it should. Someone wake Doc up because we all see this but apparently he doesn’t. Go Cs…find your passion for playing Celtic style ball and the wins will come. Then I won’t have to waste time bitching about lame play and effort. I can then bitch about paul bringing up the trade again which is more fun as Perk is really sucking this year!!!
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James wrote–”Perk is really sucking this year”. REALLY! Perk is starting for one of the teams with the best record in NBA so far this year. You sound like someone who truly does notn understand basketball and therefore does not appreciate what Perk brings to a team. That is so sad!
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Check his stats and then you tell me how “great” he’s playing. Here since I know nothing…
http://espn.go.com/nba/player/stats/_/id/2018/kendrick-perkins
His stats are the worst since 2004 and he doesn’t finish games because Ibaka is a better center. In his last 10 games he’s scored 39 pts and had games of 0,0,1,2,2 pts…and 56 rebs or 5.6 (again below his average)and 18 TOs and 33 PFs.
If you think those are the stats of a quality center then you’re right I know nothing. He is a slow footed center that thankfully is no longer wearing the green. Haha!!! Go Cs…
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I cannot stand you!!!! Keep rooting for the Celtics — you are a horrible fan. Stop saying GO C’S when you are basically saying they suck. Second off, PERK IS DOING GREAT THIS YEAR. TELL ME SOMETHING, WHO IS BETTER………. PERK OR O’NEAL….. I’LL GET A GOOD LAUGH OUT OF YOUR ANSWER…..
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Perk is not as good as you think. Injury prone, not athletic, whines about calls, in other words…SUCKS. Wilcox is better than Perkins.
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New to C-Town are we??? I’ve been here 3 years praising the Cs and criticizing when DESERVED. I don’t love them enough to follow you off the cliff. Perk’s stats speak for anyone that can understand what they are saying. Check the link and figure it out. Go Cs…who are all these newbies with blinders on???
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P.S. to rachele…they pretty much suck right now or does losing to DET and TOR work for you??? Go Cs…
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P.P.S. I love you too, rachele! Now be a good little C-fan and go study up before making comments you can’t defend. Go Cs…geez!
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IMO Danny Ainge is the problem. Danny did a great jobe in 07 putting achamponship team together. Since then he has done a Terrible job providing complimentary players to the big 4. In fact he has torn the bench apart without providing talent to replace the james Posey’s, Eddie House and Tony Allen’s of the 08 championship team. Then he makes a most ill advised trade of Perkins. Danny also has a difficult time getting across town to watch Lin play at harvard or at BC. Danny must go!
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I agree with Walker, Ainge is not the person the C’s need in the position of making decisions for the team. He has done a horrible job in trying to make important decisions about trades and I believe he is the cause of all the problems have been having the last couple of years! Go Celtics. PS I never thought much of Ainge as a player either!
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Isn’t it really simple. They lost the last 2 Heat games in the playoffs and were up with less than 5 minutes. They lost Game 7 in LA leading by 3 with 6 minutes left. They lost Game 6 in Orlando 3 playoffs ago in the closeout game up 5.
They have nobody who can get in the paint and score or get fouled at the end games. So they rely on Jumpshots with tired legs and that is not because of age. Everybody is tired after 4 quarters of BA hoops.
Elbow off balance 2′s, 3′s from ray and 20 footers from KG are not get it done.
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They lost the 7th game against LA because they could not rebound anything and Gasol and others put back many misses. Perk being available would have meant a championship but the Lakers TOOK OUT PERK with a double team by Kobe and Bynum. Just go back and look at the play again when Perk was injured. As dirty as you can get..
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Not as dirty as when D-Wade basically tore Rondo’s arm off last year…that made me hate the Heat so much more.
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Just because they are up by 3 with 5 or 6 minutes to go MEANS NOTHING YOU IDIOT. A game is always determined with two minutes to go…… pretty much. Watch a game and you’ll see. UNLESS you are killing a team by like 20-30 points…. then there is always a chance for comeback. So shut up.!
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Wtf are you talking about?
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Waive Pavlovic… Try to sign A. Iverson just to get the chemistry and energy pumped up a bit.. both on and off the court… A.i is a hard worker.. and yeah i know he got himself into a lot of trouble and bla bla bla.. but still better than pavlovic he would even be with one arm only… JAMES im about to be really close agreeing with you about doc and his decisions… Sad C’s can’t get it to work constantly but having these on and off games.. But it’s nice to see Rondo shine and be so aggressive.. Great energy his eyes is like burning out there on the court he just got that mad desire to win…
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Actually I was an advocate of signing A.I. when he said he wanted to play with the C’s a few years back. IDK why Danny won’t roll the dice on him. He and Rondo would feed off of each other’s competitiveness. And the Big 3 will get even more energy on the floor. It’s a win-win honestly.
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Danny your a real rocket scientist – you gave away the value and young guys and now your stuck with old guys like yourself whom the game has passed by – get of your Arse and do something or quit
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God you guys are missing the point of this statement…remember earlier this season when Danny said something very similar to this? The team won like 4 or 5 games in a row after he said it. This is all motivation for this team to get their act together. I think that Danny is a smart GM who makes more right decisions than bad ones. That said, he knows that no team wants what we have. There just isn’t any realistic trade that makes sense for out team. At least that’s what us fans can discern at this time. But I agree with James on this one, start Wilcox, get some more rebounds, get out on breaks, and win the game. THAT’S IT! And whoever thinks Perk is contributing to the Thunder’s record KNOWS NOTHING. Haha that guy really took a step back this year. Dude, we’re absolutely coasting this year because I know for a fact that Pierce wants another title more than anything. I think this team is just kind of going through the motions at this point in the seasons. All you who think we should make a move are wrong. We aren’t even halfway through with the season yet folks. Let’s see how the Big 4 get their chemistry together since Rondo is emerging as a 20 and 10 type of guy. He just needs to do a better job of creating a balance between running plays for the Big 3 and creating his own shots. I don’t know why you guys think we should just switch to an uptempo game all of a sudden though…our team is built on execution. That’s what got us a title in 2008 and that’s what got us a sweep of the Knicks last year. We aren’t a fast team. So how exactly is trying to outrun teams that are faster than us gonna help? Help me cus I don’t understand…
But James is right again, there’s only a couple small things that need tweaking and then all this b.s. is gonna end.
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Playoffs are 90% half-court, but they can run but only if CW, JJ, EM and BB are mixed in with the starters. Get the rebound, give it to RR and always have at least one big (BB or CW/JJ) in to run the break. It’s so obvious that this team is better when flying as Doc wants them to. The problem is without rebounding, especially giving up all the offensive rebs on their defensive end, they can’t run and instead are required to play half-court. They’ll play good half-court come May but now is the time to integrate the younger players to help right the ship and get us back on the winning track (also helps rest the older players…duh!!!). Go Cs…
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Wait James…did I just hear you agree with something Doc did?! Haha but yeah I guess you’re right. In the playoffs we’ll also have more time to adjust to our counterparts which is good given the fact that our defense is pretty solid this year. I want CW as our starter so bad. Idk what doc sees in JO as a starter.
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Every-time I hear Doc talk it’s ALWAYS “push the ball”. Well you can’t push the ball when you’re getting killed on the glass. So, I guess I agree we should run but it all starts with controlling the boards. Go Cs…
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Can we get someone who wants to rebound because we are one of the worst teams in the league at that. Trade Rondo and Bass for Cousins and Evans and send O’neal to Milwaukee for Gooden done.
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That would be a great trade with the Kings, but they are not that dumb. I live in SAC and know how good these two are going to be. Forget Gooden, JO needs to come off the bench. He’d be great in that role. Go Cs…
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Ugh we could have used J.R. Smith. But James you’re right about the rebounding thing. It’s all about effort and despite the loss last night, I did see more effort from this team which is welcomed. And idk what the fascination is with C’s fans and Perk…like you’d think he was an all star or something…
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Perk was a journey-man level center that never averaged 8 rebs or put up 10 pts per game consistently. He played good defense, but was greatly helped by KG helping him out. He’s a mediocre center and his stats have fallen to the point where Ibaka will soon replace him as OKC’s starting center. At least that’s what I believe. People love him for 2008 and 2010 (and I was one who did, too) but it’s 2012 and he’s not the same…but is injured again. Hard to dispute the facts. Go Cs…
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Chris Wilcox > Kendrick Perkins
Why? Cus he has more than a petty scowl to his game.
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Greg: I agree, Wilcox is way better than Perk. The C’s just need to figure out how to get some chemistry going on offense; but really, they’ve won on the past from their tenacious D that causes misses and then getting out in transition, the way they got to the championship in 2010 — Rondo pushing the ball up court and dishing off. Now he’s even better at attacking the rim. Give them time to come together and figure out the new pieces.
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You know we’re only allowing 87 ppg….that’s the second lowest in the league. Our defense is awesome right now. But it’s capitalizing on defensive stops that we need to fix.
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Just think how good this team could be if they were just 15th in rebounding instead of 29th. Go Cs…
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And maybe I need to stop visiting the medicinal store here in LA that smells some funny smelling tobacco, but I think the C’s are going to win the championship this year. It’s going to come together. They can play with anyone in the league. Even as bad as they’ve started, they showed they can compete with the Bulls and Rose, along with the Heat. I actually think the C’s are deeper than those teams. If Doc gives guys the chance to fully utilize their God-given abilities, they will compete as a band of warriors. And yeah, the trade deadline is hanging over their heads and affecting the way they’re playing, especially Pierce I believe. That, or he’s having problems with women. If they want it, they will get it. Rose is a choker (see last year in playoffs) and LeBron is a punk who will find a way to self destruct.
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And by the way, Rachele, don’t mess with our boy James. He’s forgotten more basketball than you will ever know.
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Chris is right. Wow, I thought I was the only one who thought that. C’s town is definitely better than other sites in terms of basketball knowledge…but you’re right Chris…this team almost beat the Heat WITHOUT PIERCE. The bulls are so overhyped it’s ridiculous. The Knicks aren’t a serious threat. I expect a complete 180 after the deadline. PP said last year on the Association series that the trade deadline has a lot of people on edge, especially the big 3. Ainge
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Chris is right. Wow, I thought I was the only one who thought that. C’s town is definitely better than other sites in terms of basketball knowledge…but you’re right Chris…this team almost beat the Heat WITHOUT PIERCE. The bulls are so overhyped it’s ridiculous. The Knicks aren’t a serious threat. I expect a complete 180 after the deadline. PP said last year on the Association series that the trade deadline has a lot of people on edge, especially the big 3. Ainge knows this team won’t get any good trades, so he uses the media as a way to motivate the team. It happened earlier in the year. Rondo will more than likely retire a Celtic in my opinion, so idk why Paul believes he’s gonma be run out of town.
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Cs are coasting, which, and except for their aversion to rebounding efficiently, is their single worst characteristic. I know when the games matter they’ll bring it every night as they are the ultimate light-switch – OK it’s time to show up – team. I just wish they’d show up every night, but with a much improved and deeper bench we can and will compete for the title this year (baring injuries of course). Go Cs…
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Who else likes the sound of a Spurs-Celtics Finals?
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Rather beat the Lakers and their refs. We owe them. Go Cs…
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Don’t we? But I like the spurs this season. Again they have a really good record which includes a current 10-game winning streak, yet the Knicks who have a loosing record get more attention. They also have a deep bench. One of the best in the West actually. But the West is still wide open.
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I’ll admitt I haven’t seen to many games this year. But you don’t need to in order to figure this team out.. First of all, Sorry to say the Celt’s are “NOT” PLAYOFF CONTENDERS” this year. That’s just a fact so accept it.. I’ve been following the Celt’s for 40 years and there’s times I’m actually ashamed to have to call some of the players in the past 10 years, “Celtics”
You are not a “True Celtic” just because you became a member of the team. You need to earn it and most important of all you need to have “CLASS”. Bill Russell started that tradition and it’s a shame that it has lost some of it’s meaning because of some of the players who have worned the uniform in the past several years. Enough on that !
How do we fix it? Try to find players who play for more than the money… The money is there for everyone so why not look at yourself in the mirror and decide what else is important! Like caring about each game and the way you are perceived by the fans (Kids) and your fellow players. Team work is the name of the game. Not Labron James and ect, ect, ect. Too many selfish indiviuals but I guess that’s in many other professions also. The American way…
Now, here’s what I would do even though nobody asked me. First one to go should be Rondo. Yea he’s Super Quick and a pretty good ball handler. But he couldn’t throw the ball in the ocean with 5 seconds left and your down one!!! His middle name should be turnover. Terrible passes during the game and especially during crunch time. Am I the only one that sees this? And attitude, take it somewhere else.. We don’t need it in Boston. I once made 59 foul shots in a row and 12 three pointers in a row so I know a little about the game. In fact I think that shooting a basketball and scoring is one of the easiest thigs to do in sports. What about you Dwight Howard the no talent Dunker? Dunking a Basketball is like walking. It’s so easy and it’s so automatic!!! What a boring way to play.
Let’s talk about crunch time. Why in the world does Doc Rivers keep letting Pierce take the final shot? I beleive that in his career he is something like 5 or 6 made out of 30 or 35 attempts… Check out John Havlichek (sp) Pierce could learn a lo from him. The only taking a game winning shot should be “Ray Allen”.
But no, we have to Let Pierce dribble and dribble and dribble till there’s 1 or 2 seconds left and then more often than not take a stupid ill advised shot.. Game over !!! We loose again and again. Doc, it’s time to get back control of this team. Bring back the pride and the wins will come. Stay as it is and it’s just another long season of going through the motions.
Don’t kill the messenger people and think before you critize me OK?
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While I can see how you reach a couple of your points I think this ‘light-switch’ turning team will contend for the title. And yes, the ball needs to be out of PP’s hands at crunch time unless he gets it from someone else while in motion. then he can shoot but his standing still and fall-away jumpers are usually very non-efficient. Go Cs…
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I stopped reading after you said let rondo go…what a dumb idea. Yeah, let’s trade away the best person on the team…just go away…your rant about the “American Way” was cute I guess, but who on this team is selfish? Or only cares about money? That was totally irrelevant…and pierce hit like 4-5 game winners last year…just go away dude
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Easy Greg…he’s entitled to his opinions even if skewed. We need all the posters we can get here to keep Jay and Tommy going strong so they can get in good with the Cs mgmt/ownership so we can have a Gahden party someday and play some 5 on 5 on the parquet floor…my dream! Go Cs…are you rebounding today???
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