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Ray v. Avery: A Study in 5-Man Units

Strangely enough, Bradley's offensive units were more efficient than Allen's last season.

We are fully entrenched in the NBA’s dog days of summer, and for websites that cover solely one team, even such quality websites as Celtics Town, occasionally the same debates get rehashed over and over. So, naturally, I’m going to go ahead and continue to rehash an already rehashed debate; a debate so rehashed, it has become nearly as redundant as my use of the word “rehash” in this paragraph.

For quite some time, I’ve maintained a somewhat controversial position: that the Celtics will not only be able to survive offensively without Ray Allen, probably the greatest three point shooter of all time, but that they will be better without him. A closer examination of Boston’s five-man floor units, from the ever reliable 82games.com, presents compelling evidence in my favor (rephrased: I TOLD YOU SO HATERZZ).

Celtics fans seem to universally agree that last season, a lineup of Rondo/Pierce/Bass/Garnett +Bradley was the best defensive unit, while the same unit replacing Bradley with Allen was the ideal offensive group. Those lineups were the two most popular for Doc Rivers. Combined, they made up 545.8 minutes, as the Allen version played 326.8 minutes to Bradley’s 219.0. Both minute totals make up sufficient sample sizes to draw conclusions based on the results (as opposed to the Bradley/Dooling/Pavlovic/Garnett/Stiemsma lineup that averaged a stunning 1.32 points per possession in a meager 31.9 total minutes this season).

Having established all of that, here’s where things get a little weird: the standard Bradley lineup was MUCH better offensively than the standard Allen lineup. Here are the numbers:

Standard 5 Man UnitsOff. EfficiencyDef. EfficiencyDifferential
With Ray Allen1.061.010.05
With Avery Bradley1.130.940.19

While Allen’s lineup averaged 1.06 points per possession, Bradley’s lineup was .07 higher, at 1.13. In an entertaining (but unrelated) coincidence, the difference between Bradley and Allen’s lineups defensively has exactly the same differential of .07, as Bradley’s lineup topped Ray’s, .94 to 1.01.

Defensively, we shouldn’t be very surprised by these results. Bradley is a better individual defender than even a healthy Allen, and the Allen we saw in the late regular season/playoffs was far from healthy. But the offensive differential doesn’t line up with the standard narrative. It also, quite honestly, doesn’t match up to standard logic. Despite Bradley’s obvious improvements offensively and Allen’s notable aging, we would have expected the better offensive lineup to be the one with the better offensive player. Allen was clearly still better offensively than Bradley. Ray had a higher PER, a better eFG%, and a lower turnover percentage (turnovers per 100 possessions).

So what do these numbers mean? Is it possible that Boston’s offense simply didn’t need to play Allen to be efficient? Actually…yes. Yes it is.

While having an incredible three point shooter like Allen is undeniably a good thing, Allen’s slipping athleticism has made him into more and more of a three point specialist over the course of the last few years. Allen achieved his highest PER in 2003, posting a 23.3. Last season, his PER dipped all the way to 14.8, his lowest since his rookie season. Part of this can be attributed to the ratio of three pointers to two pointers Allen took. 39.8% of his shots in 2003 were three pointers. In 2012, 47.6% of his shots were from behind the arc. And though Allen hit a better percentage of his 3 pointers in 2012 (.453, the highest percentage of his career), the fact remains that three pointers aren’t the most efficient shot. While Allen is a better 3 point shooter than Bradley or Pierce, he isn’t ENOUGH better to make his lineups more efficient than Bradley’s.

One argument that could be logically made is that while Bradley’s lineup may be more effective offensively, Bradley can’t (and shouldn’t) play all 48 minutes. At some point, a player needs to be brought in as a replacement. But when the Celtics tried another less efficient player, Mickael Pietrus, instead of Allen in the same Rondo/Pierce/Bass/Garnett lineup, the unit was extremely efficient at 1.43, though admittedly the sample size was by no means reliable; this lineup recorded just 34.7 minutes together. But in this unit, Pietrus was clearly not the offensive focal point, much like Bradley in his. Rather, he was a complementary piece, while Pierce, Rondo and (perhaps most notably) Garnett took charge. It should be noted that no unit that featured Garnett at center finished with an offensive efficiency of less than 1.06.

By no means am I suggesting that having Ray as a three point specialist would be a bad thing. But I am suggesting that perhaps Allen’s presence represented an offensive focal point that prevented Boston from achieving their peak efficiency. Ray needed his touches, and giving him those touches took higher percentage shots away from other players. Perhaps merely having Rondo, Pierce and Garnett with various other talented players like Bass (and, we hope, Jeff Green, Courtney Lee, and Jason Terry) is enough to make a team excellent offensively.

Feel free to rehash my thoughts in the comments.

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categories Celtics Blog | Tom Westerholm | August 5, 2012

11 Responses to “Ray v. Avery: A Study in 5-Man Units”

  1. len says:
    August 5, 2012 at 1:10 pm

    Don’t you think it is premature to compare AB to RA? He can’t help the team while injured and he has not been able to get through a complete season yet without missing either significant amounts of time or missing critical games. Yes we could have beat Miami if was playing but he was unable to play during the most important part of the season. PP has probably missed less games in his whole career than AB has missed in 3 seasons with the projected 2 months he will miss in the 2012-2013 season.

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    • Art says:
      August 5, 2012 at 1:48 pm

      Nothing wrong with the comparison. However, at the same time, let’s hope AB gets healthy and stays healthy. Hopefully, at his age, that will be the case.

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  2. Rogem says:
    August 5, 2012 at 7:29 pm

    Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.

    Did you mention that Paul Pierce was still eating tons of Red Lobster and shooting 30% from the field the first 20 games, Or that Garnett Failed to shoot a free throw in like the first 10 of 15 games? Or Rondo playing like a lazy player that he is known to be when he can care less? All while Ray Allen was playing great.

    These stats are totally meaningless

    and you became irrelevant when you said that Ray Allen is “PROBABLY” the best 3 point shooter ever.

    Truly Pathetic.

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  3. paul says:
    August 5, 2012 at 7:42 pm

    Rondo pounding the ball into the floor for hours while Ray runs through multiple screens has been a notorious feature of the Celtics offense for years now, more and more by the year. It’s been obvious for quite a while that this was a lot of the reason for the diminishing power of the Celtics offense. For a long time, Rondo got all the blame.

    So one really had to admire the cold way Allen tried to turn this now conventional wisdom on its head during his Heat press conference, claiming that he was relieved to be leaving behind a ‘conservative’ team!!

    That said, he should do well in Miami. Standing at the three point arc and waiting for Lebron to kick him the ball is pretty much what he’s perfect for now. If Miller can do it, if Shane Battier can do it, Ray ought to be able to do it.

    Can’t say Ray’s not a cunning fella.

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  4. TM says:
    August 5, 2012 at 7:57 pm

    Ray Allen, at best, is a guy to have around when the opposing team is over the foul limit and we can get to the line for the reminder of the game. Other than that, he’s not an all star but more a Robert Horry type, who drifts in and out of the arc, waiting for a kick out from a double teamed Olajuwon/Cassell, Shaq/Kobe, or Duncan/Parker.

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  5. Adam says:
    August 6, 2012 at 10:03 am

    Is it possible that the defensive efficiency and the offensive efficiency are related? Meaning we have a higher chance of scoring after a defensive stop than we do after the other team scores?

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    • Tom Westerholm says:
      August 6, 2012 at 12:53 pm

      Absolutely. Boston didn’t have a particularly high pace last season (21st in NBA), but when they got out in transition, they were deadly. That’s what having an absurdly athletic and intelligent point guard will do for you.

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      • James says:
        August 6, 2012 at 5:07 pm

        And now we have the players to run with him! Go Cs…

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  6. JT's Hoops Blog says:
    August 6, 2012 at 10:54 am

    With Avery out for much of the season, it is a tad premature to consider him Boston’s SG of the future.

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  7. RHoward says:
    August 7, 2012 at 12:02 pm

    Yes the statistics does indicate a fact. However, i think u may have forgotten something very important.

    When Ray Allen was the primary SG for the Cs, it was before the All-Star game. The Celtics were sub .500 and in a complete mess during that time, with Pierce and KG are of shape and really played poorly. If not for Allen, the points differential would not even be close.

    Post All-Star game, KG, Pierce and Rondo(rmb when he started the double-digit assist streak?) are playing much better and Doc made arguably the most important move of the season- moving KG into the 5th spot. That was when the Celtics really start to flourish both offensively and defensively. Allen got injured and it is that period of time where Bradley begin to emerge as a solid player.

    The team improved as a whole midway through the season, and u probably gave too much credit to Bradley.

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    • RHoward says:
      August 7, 2012 at 12:14 pm

      out* of shape

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