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Possible trade scenarios for Paul Pierce (or: The post I hoped to never write)

The problem with all of the trade rumors surrounding the post-Rondo Boston Celtics is that they are, for the most part, conceived on two different premises:

  1. All-Star X should be traded for Role Player Y because it works well for the Celtics (Boston fans view).
  2. The Celtics are screwed and everybody on the roster is available. Garage sale time. Pick up any junk you might find useful and offer minimal returns (Opposing fans view).

Both views are equally flawed. Either you are a Celtics fan (likely the case for you personally since you are reading this post) and you overvalue the players because you like them (very understandable), or you aren’t a fan, like any fan of the Heat/Lakers/Knicks/Nets/Hawks/Magic/Cavaliers/any other team who feels personally wronged by the KG-era C’s, and you dislike them strongly (and thus undervalue the players).

Hand-in-hand with this dislike frequently comes a mentality that every player on the Celtics is, as previously mentioned, junk at a garage sale. Non-Celtics fans often assume, for example, that since Paul Pierce is on the decline (and he is clearly on the decline), we are ready to see him dealt for next to nothing. And that’s not true. Where opposing fans see an aging, battered veteran with next to no footspeed and a weird-looking jumpshot, we see PAUL PIERCE. We see the man who resurrected himself and came jogging back in Game 1 (and you can piss off with your worn-out wheelchair jokes). We see the man who lay on the ground and pumped his fist wildly after grabbing a jumpball and putting away LeBron James and the Cavs. Where you see junk at a garage sale, we see just about every good memory of the past decade. So pardon us if we are a little offended by your offer of Darren Collison (or some such nonsense) and a second-round pick.

ALL OF THAT BEING SAID, it’s not unreasonable (in fact, it’s probably very reasonable) to assume that the Celtics will make several roster moves, whether those moves set down the dynamite and light a match, or whether those moves reload the roster one last time. Don’t rule either possibility out: By keeping Pierce, KG and Rondo around (and trying to keep Allen around last summer), Ainge has shown more sentimentality than most C’s fans are probably ready to give him credit for.

But moves are almost certainly coming. And if the decision makers decide to blow the team up, one of the players most likely to move is, unfortunately, Paul Pierce. Pierce is no longer able to handle the role of a primary offensive weapon, but he can still be very dangerous as a supplemental scorer and, unlike KG, he doesn’t have a no-trade clause. Plenty of teams would see value in him, although not the value Celtics fans see, to be sure.

Discussing any Pierce deal is immediately an emotionally fraught issue, so we are lucky that one of the best, most rational basketball writers on the web also happens to be a Celtics fan. Zach Lowe has a rather spectacular breakdown over at Grantland.com of the various trade possibilities Boston might consider in exchange for the Truth:

What deals for Pierce might be realistic, given that Boston under new cap rules can add only about $2.4 million in salary? Ainge’s first target will be either a blue-chip guy on a rookie contract or a good first-round pick. He’s not getting both, and getting just one will likely require Boston taking something unpalatable back — and/or sending out one of the Avery Bradley–Jared Sullinger pair.

Some of the better centerpieces (for Boston) in the packages Lowe mentions:

  • Either Klay Thompson or Harrison Barnes (and Richard Jefferson’s unpleasant contract) in exchange for Pierce.
  • Eric Bledsoe (and parts) in exchange for Pierce (Lowe points out that contractually, this will be very difficult to swing).
  • Andrea Bargnani and Jose Calderon for Pierce and Bass.
  • Andrea Bargnani and Kyle Lowry for Pierce and Bass.

The last two deals don’t sound particularly appealing because Andrea Bargnani’s contract is perhaps the only deal more loathed around the NBA than Jeff Green’s. But Lowe brings up a few interesting points about Bargs. For example: The Celtics do not have a power forward who can stretch to the 3-point line, a skill which Rondo, upon his return, would find very useful. It might also be useful for Jason Terry. From Lowe once again:

One reason Terry has attempted so few shots via the pick-and-roll this season is that he doesn’t have Nowitzki as a partner; opponents fear Nowitzki’s jumper so deeply, they have their big men stay attached to him on pick-and-rolls, opening a lane for Dallas guards.

As for Calderon and Lowry, the obvious preference would be the latter, a borderline All-Star point guard who also happens to be very efficient. But Calderon is a very serviceable player, and Celtics fans would probably be surprised how much the lane opens up with a point guard who regularly takes open jumpers.

We all love Pierce, and we would all love to see him retire a Celtic. As such these deals are all painful. In fact, the most likely one (Toronto, according to both Zach Lowe and Marc Stein) is also probably my personal least favorite because if Ainge decides that Pierce has to be traded, I would prefer it be to a contender so we can cheer him from a distance deep into the playoffs. But all of the deals make a certain amount of sense practically.

Whether or not any of the deals make sense emotionally (answer: They don’t and this whole situation is completely fubar’d and depressing) is a different topic for a different day.

Follow Tom on Twitter: @Tom_NBA.

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  4. Paul Pierce trade rumors: Danny Ainge offered Pierce to Portland Trail Blazers
  5. Danny Ainge reportedly “prepared to entertain” Paul Pierce trade offers

categories Celtics Blog | Tom Westerholm | January 28, 2013

22 Responses to “Possible trade scenarios for Paul Pierce (or: The post I hoped to never write)”

  1. Al Galoppo says:
    January 28, 2013 at 5:31 pm

    rather than trading for Bargnani and Calderon the Cs should just let PP contract expire, and along with KG likely retirement invest that lot of money in quality free agents.
    no kidding, I the Cs trade PP for Bargnani I’ll start rooting for the Hornets or the [choose a random team besides LA and Miami]

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  2. Jonathan says:
    January 28, 2013 at 5:46 pm

    I actually think the celtics should try to get Darren Collison but not for Pierce. Ship the Jet back to Dallas( or someone else I don’t know how the money matches up exactly)

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  3. CPUFC says:
    January 28, 2013 at 6:36 pm

    NO PIERCE, NO CHAMPIONSHIP

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  4. James says:
    January 28, 2013 at 6:43 pm

    Make PP the Sixth Man, start JG (assess whether he can play at the level needed or value add to use in trade), and bring FAB back and let him finish the season as our starting center. Re-tool for another run next season and make the lottery (should be easy to do) so we get a good player to rebuild with after KG/PP retire as Celtics. I just hope we don’t do anything rash or stupid. Go Cs…

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    • holiday513 says:
      January 28, 2013 at 9:41 pm

      This is the stupidest shit I’ve heard

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      • Number_27 says:
        January 29, 2013 at 8:45 am

        Paul should become 6th man as he will be called upon to fill different roles now. FAB should be brought up, not to start but to spell KG and/or starter Sullinger. Melo is going to miss out on opportunity to learn playing with KG.

        Green has been pretty good the past month and was outstanding on LBJ this past Sunday. He should start.

        You deal Pierce and you risk all sorts of chemistry problems most of which cannot be foreseen. You also aren’t going to get back anyone who is better or a better fit.

        For the Green questioners, if you deal or are willing to deal Pierce you are implicitly agreeing that JG start. So start JG and have Pierce as 6th man.

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        • James says:
          January 29, 2013 at 10:53 am

          So how was my post “the stupidest shit I’ve heard” when you are basically saying much of the same thing? FAB should start and give us the center we need in the middle. I guarantee he is better than JC even being considered a ‘project’. JS isn’t a center and we need to get bigger so having a 7-footer play with KG (6’11) and JG starting (6’9) we have a more typical frontline. I would just tell FAB to concentrate on rebounding and blocking shots. Any offense will be a bonus. Otherwise, it seems you agree with me other than the lottery aspect, which I believe is better for the Cs than going out 4-1 in the first round to the Heat. It would also likely make the team hungrier next season and maybe they show up every night with these changes and not play down to the sub .500 teams or give games away. Go Cs…

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          • Al Galoppo says:
            January 29, 2013 at 11:22 am

            some clues tell me that Number_27 and holiday513 are not the same person.
            the different names, for example….

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          • James says:
            January 29, 2013 at 12:52 pm

            Good point…my bad. Not paying attention obviously! Go Cs…

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  5. John says:
    January 28, 2013 at 7:06 pm

    Did you read those first two offers I’m about to fall out my chair of laughter no one I mean no one is making those moves.I live in Toronto I am a celtic fan so I see these players a lot.We do not want a 6’11 center who is soft like butter and spends his time spotting up for 3 point jumpers he barely attacks the basket and he is over payed and completely over rated.Jose Calderon good on offence but hes defense is worst than Steve Nash.Now what Gm is gonna trade those its young players for a guy thats gonna retire and past his prime and no one is taking JG contract get used to him and his pricey contract

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  6. John says:
    January 28, 2013 at 7:37 pm

    I would trade Bass,Collins and a first rounder(in this years weak ass draft) for Ramon Sessions and Haywood

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  7. Ric says:
    January 28, 2013 at 8:29 pm

    I will be pissed if they trade PP. why would you trade your only true scorer, and the only way I would want to see KG go is getting josh smith back in return. I would hate to see the gone. But one of the only trades I would want to see go down is a 3 team trade with the suns and the clippers…

    Gortat and Bledsoe to the celtics
    Telfair, barbosa, the celts 1st round to the clippers
    And Jeff green and fab melo to the suns

    http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=arhgzro

    Just a thought….

    There is no need to blow up the team… KG would have a couple more years if he went back to PF.

    One more trade they would have to pull off is maybe a Jason terry and a 2nd round pick for JJ reddick…

    This would make the Celtics a real playoff team… Just a long shot to happen…. We can only hope

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  8. holiday513 says:
    January 28, 2013 at 9:47 pm

    The best option is for the Celtics to use free agency maybe going after Kenyon martin and delonte west who knows the Celtics offense quite well and martin would provide a fierce presence in the post there is no way in hell the Celtics would trade pierce he has stuck with them through thick n thin and the loyalty to him should be returned and Garnett has a no trade clause so he’s not going anywhere

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    • James says:
      January 28, 2013 at 10:23 pm

      Talk about “stupid” ideas, you win! K-Mart and D West are toast and have been for quite a while; ergo why they aren’t playing so far this season. But you want both on the Cs??? At least I proposed a scenario and frankly it’s a lot better than re-treading the Cs with crap players. Go Cs…

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      • holiday513 says:
        January 28, 2013 at 11:25 pm

        I’m the biggest Celtics fan I even have the mascot tatted on me but realistically there is no player are players that can be a huge impact on the Celtics unless its a huge blockbuster trade so bringing martin who helped the clippers hugely in the playoffs against the grizzlies frontline would help us add some toughness and delonte west is used to stepping in for rondo when injured in the past and you want have to give him a lot of money

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        • James says:
          January 29, 2013 at 1:35 am

          We don’t need West. We have enough guards and I’d rather CL earn the PG backup role by getting the chance to show he can handle it. And I’d rather FAB be brought up to be our center and gain experience this year while we are going nowhere. Then we’ll have the big man we need as he’ll be ready for next season. Our trading chips have no value and that excludes RR, KG, PP, JS and AB, all of whom I would say are off limits. So we should find out who has value and then forget this season and get a nice lottery pick, let our role players and FAB get experience or work themselves off the team. Then we’ll be ready for next season with another legitimate chance to get banner #18. Go Cs…

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          • Al Galoppo says:
            January 29, 2013 at 7:31 am

            that’s one possibility. the other one is sign West AND trade Lee and Bass for a big man. I say Lee instead of Jet because he’s more valuable, of course. Ainge said that he’s standing pat for a couple of weeks, to understand if this team has a chance as it is. I say it doesn’t make sense: it is time to make a move anyway; either the Cs sign a point guard (West, Dooling, whoever) and trade for a big man, or they do as you suggest, let this season go and retool for the next one.
            but (to me) it’s evident that this team isn’t going anywhere as it is.

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  9. R.T. says:
    January 29, 2013 at 3:01 am

    I doubt they do it but if they going to how about this? http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=avmfsej We would be getting alot back.

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    • Erick says:
      January 29, 2013 at 3:46 am

      That would look amazing on paper, but I would feel bad for PP going to retire to a shitty team that is gong to Seattle. Besides We don’t know if Cousins can change his mentality. But sounds cool.

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    • James says:
      January 30, 2013 at 12:41 am

      I live in Sac and this is the most idiotic trade ever. You think the Kings are going to gut their team and lose Tyreke, Salmons and Cousins (or all their offense) for a ‘retiring’ PP??? The Kings are not trading Cousins. Period! Try again with something more in reality. Go Cs…

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  10. billybadass says:
    January 29, 2013 at 10:09 pm

    no trade pp here is the move
    http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=b68nps6

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    • James says:
      January 30, 2013 at 12:44 am

      Even more idiotic. What are you guys thinking??? Go Cs…

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